Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263336)

I find those stats a bit difficult to believe, especially in a Yorkshire area.

If you wish to fear the impossible then you are free to do so, it doesn't make it any more likely of happening. Like I said before, it's impossible for an extremist section of Islam to take hold in the UK and become a majority and nothing is going to change that. When you understand how population growth. government and the process of changing legislation, laws and political systems work you'll see that there's nothing to fear.

As I said before, if you think you are at any risk of becoming a minority and somehow being forced into Islam by extremists then you may as well check the moon every night to see if it's fallen out of the sky because the odds of those events happening are pretty much the same.



So whenever you accuse me of sexism you're trying to intimidate me into silence?

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9263278)

Yes, now leave me alone whilst I meditate

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9263346)

Not a Hopkins fan but she has some good points here

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263194)

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263502)

She has just told you that in the area she lives she is in the minority, I understand what she is saying I live in a similar area the difference is I have always lived in multicultural boroughs in London so I am perfectly used to it, if however I returned to Ireland and found the area I grew up was now completely changed culturally I probably would have an issue with that!! I think for some of the older generations they have seen so much change in their life time it is difficult to comes to terms with it. If you have grown up with it as my kids have they have no issues whatsoever but I have have a 85 year old neighbour who remembers when the area was different and has a different view, that's not racism that is someone who has seen a complete change in their lifetime and is not happy at the loss of her community and neighbourhood.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9263509)

I can understand that but that's just life I guess, things change and evolve. The sense of community is less here than it was when I was younger too but that's not down to different cultures moving into areas it's just the way the world has moved. You asked earlier what it was like over here. I guess it's different from England because we don't have as much of areas being taken over by a certain group/groups, not that I've noticed anyway. It seems to me that attitudes towards immigrants are harsher over in Britain. Of course Ireland probably isn't high on the list as a target for ISIS either so maybe we're less worried? I don't know really

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9263527)

There's a picture going around Facebook, of the damage done to London during the IRA bombing. It says something like, 'we didn't can all Irish or Catholic folks after this, and we're not going to do it now'. Makes perfect sense to me.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263523)

Not just in relation to ISIS but to immigration in general. I asked because I found attitudes to people coming to work in Ireland as not as welcoming as they might be, I think it was all great during the Celtic Tiger but once that bubble burst there seemed to be a lot of anti Polish sentiment...I remember sitting in a hospital in Cork when my Mum was unwell and the cleaner was having a right moan about Polish people, when I said Ireland has been exporting people for years and it was their turn to give something back she looked quite taken aback its a sentiment I heard a few times on visits, again that is not everyone, just like here in the UK, I am not sure how any major town in Ireland would react to Irish people being in the minority either :laugh:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9263527)

There's a picture going around Facebook, of the damage done to London during the IRA bombing. It says something like, 'we didn't can all Irish or Catholic folks after this, and we're not going to do it now'. Makes perfect sense to me.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263530)

err....lots of people did and still do....

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9263532)

Yeah tbf that's not entirely true DR, even back in the late 90's when I was over in London I used to get some comments etc directed at me/being Irish so i can only imagine it was even worse back in the 70's/80's

I think people like to remember things a bit more rose tinted :laugh:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9263509)

I can understand that but that's just life I guess, things change and evolve. The sense of community is less here than it was when I was younger too but that's not down to different cultures moving into areas it's just the way the world has moved. You asked earlier what it was like over here. I guess it's different from England because we don't have as much of areas being taken over by a certain group/groups, not that I've noticed anyway. It seems to me that attitudes towards immigrants are harsher over in Britain. Of course Ireland probably isn't high on the list as a target for ISIS either so maybe we're less worried? I don't know really

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9263536)

What do you think the reason is for attitudes towards immigrants not being as harsh in Ireland?


I would suggest that it's because you're not experiencing it.If you got whole areas taken over i can guarantee attitudes would be exactly the same.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9263537)

Yeah maybe so NM that coupled with us probably not being overly worried about being a target for ISIS. I think maybe the only reason they would think about targeting Ireland is if they targeted Shannon Airport because the American air force use there to refuel

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9263341)

It is quite a reasonable comment when you refer to female posters as dear, love etc when in disagreement with them.

Most on here accusesd of racism have only expressed concerns about Islam and its practices. That has nothing to do with race for a start. Religion is not a race.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263502)

She has just told you that in the area she lives she is in the minority, I understand what she is saying I live in a similar area the difference is I have always lived in multicultural boroughs in London so I am perfectly used to it, if however I returned to Ireland and found the area I grew up was now completely changed culturally I probably would have an issue with that!! I think for some of the older generations they have seen so much change in their life time it is difficult to comes to terms with it. If you have grown up with it as my kids have they have no issues whatsoever but I have have a 85 year old neighbour who remembers when the area was different and has a different view, that's not racism that is someone who has seen a complete change in their lifetime and is not happy at the loss of her community and neighbourhood.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9263539)

Yeah i think their narrative for attacking Britain and France etc and the US is that we're at war with them in Syria/Iraq.I don't think Ireland is on their radar.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263552)

It's her perception that she's a minority, it's not factual unless she can provide evidence. I doubt very much that a white christian/atheist/agnostic (whichever she is) person in Yorkshire is a minority.

Things change and grow, life is not stagnant and neither is culture. As an elderly woman who has seen so much change in her life, you'd think she'd understand that. It sounds like she remembers when the community was mostly white and dislikes the idea of diversity, her community hasn't been lost, it's evolved and I doubt it's changed that much that she's now a minority, that's just a fear that ignorant people have.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263561)

So you don't believe she is in a minority even though she has produced percentages that clearly say she is :umm2: Its her town I think she knows what she is talking about.

Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 9263570)

Find it absolutely cringeworthy when White people express fear of becoming a Minority in Western Countries. This country could just about accept an ethnic minority London Mayor, The majority of the country voted for Brexit and won with their main and only objective being to stop the bloody immigrants and yet we are suppose to take those fears seriously? My uncle on my Mother side is the absolute worst with it too.

Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 9263570)

Find it absolutely cringeworthy when White people express fear of becoming a Minority in Western Countries. This country could just about accept an ethnic minority London Mayor, The majority of the country voted for Brexit and won with their main and only objective being to stop the bloody immigrants and yet we are suppose to take those fears seriously? My uncle on my Mother side is the absolute worst with it too.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263572)

She's produced numbers, I can do the same and it would be equally worthless without solid evidence to back it up.

It's her PERCEPTION of her town and not a reliable one either.