Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9352109)

All this Corbyn stuff is just plain silly, people are clinging onto things that happened 20+ years ago which have been blown out of proportion and even presented in a false manner for purposes of character assassination all while ignoring the fact that May is arming the middle east which has the effect of stirring that volatile pot and is actually, in this day and age, is in talks of forming an actual coallition with a party that ACTUALLY has links to terrorism.

You can't make up this level of rampant hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9352109)

All this Corbyn stuff is just plain silly, people are clinging onto things that happened 20+ years ago which have been blown out of proportion and even presented in a false manner for purposes of character assassination all while ignoring the fact that May is arming the middle east which has the effect of stirring that volatile pot and is actually, in this day and age, is in talks of forming an actual coallition with a party that ACTUALLY has links to terrorism.

You can't make up this level of rampant hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9352057)

I'll give you this much Brillo: I'm at least starting to understand that you have genuine fears that fuel your political beliefs and you're not just typing to score points. So that's progress, I suppose.

However I think, from now several months of experience on these forums (years? I can't remember when you rejoined tbh) that you have a very black and white view of the issues at hand and see it all as being "really quite simple" when they are actually, without exception, really very complex. I think by extension of that, you also assume that those who have opposing views to you also see things as being black and white / simple?

I am aware that Corbyn is not a perfect choice. I didn't and haven't ever voted Labour. However I am also aware that the SNP and their policies are far from perfect; they are my BEST choice but in all honesty I wish I had a better one. I am also aware that there are Conservative MPs who have the best of intentions for their constituents.

But the overall trajectory of the Conservative Party under Theresa May, their pandering to authoritarian sensibilities, their deliberate destruction to pave the way for privatisation that benefits them and those close to them directly... None of that can be safely ignored, either?

You have a stance of "defending them no matter what", spinning everything into a positive no matter how obviously negative it is, and it makes it impossible to have any sort of genuine political discussion.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9352141)

All I can do now is laugh at the sheer refusal to face the facts :laugh: ....and as much as I dislike the bigoted DUP, their links to terrorism is a drop in the ocean compared to those of the IRA. Further, Arlene Foster wasn't running for British Prime Minister and getting great support, Corbyn was.

Who is being hypocritical again?

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9352096)

..I feel your frustrations so much, Jet..:hug:..it's always been a difficult one for me as well with Jeremy Corbyn because of personal reasons and connections with NI and I make no excuses for him at all..(other than..)...people/situations/world events etc are so complicated as to make people so multi-dimensional...for us living in England, I guess you could say that it's less 'black and white'..?...as unpopular as this will be, I don't really want a government head of Jeremy Corbyn but not because of any IRA links he's had, more because I just don't feel he's the answer to the (..well grim mess..)...we all find ourselves in...he's too 'left' and too much the opposite of Theresa May and what our present government have been with the extreme austerity in this country...no 'extreme' is good and we've certainly had an extreme government to prove that..what I feel we need is a leader to bring it all back toward the centre...not pull in the opposite direction, you know...that for me will only continue problems and a divided country but just a different set of problems...I think we need a Labour government so much right now, but I'm so not sure about him being the person to lead it....having said that, we still have to experience the difference he would make as a leader/good/bad/or indifferent whereas with Theresa May and the Conservatives, we've had that experience and it's fairly rubbish..:laugh:...

...this country is so much in divide at atm..and I think more than anything else, that's what is weakening us and making it all feel impossible...there is very little tolerance from anyone, the intolerance is just directed at different things and in different directions is all...and the 'sides' are just pushing further and further apart in a 'split country'...I guess I just can't see that changing with Jeremy Corbyn as PM if it ever happens..(but we'll see, if it does..)...Brexit really was the thing that showed how divided we were with such a close vote...and the closeness of the voting in this election has showed that the 'coming together' is still a far off 'dream'...it's really hard for anyone who is more in the centre to have their voice heard with all of the screaming at each other of the 'left and right'...(and very little listening' with minds already made up..)...actually strangely one of the things I liked most of all that Jeremy said during the campaign...that we need ears to communicate and understand as well...the silly thing is, is that we all want the same thing, don't we, were our fears and concerns come from are the only thing that really differs...I know the Conservative party with their present policies and leader can't bring us what we need and sadly I don't think Jeremy can either...but if he could and if he did..?...that would also balance some of the things of his past..?..for me it would anyway, but we're all going to be different in our personal painful experiences....


...anyways, I think that I've just droned on and made no sense at all but I'd read your posts in this thread...and as always, they made me think so much and are such thought provoking reads...I completely, completely, completely understand your frustrations my friend...you take care, ok/I hope you're enjoying BB and have chosen a good favourite for me to champion..:laugh:...

...:hug:..:love:...

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9352123)

You'd never guess coming to this page that this is a thread made about a Con MP stating that Mrs May has to go this year.

What has been done is sidetrack it onto Corbyn and spout off things all covered in the election and before from a personal hate perspective only.
Quoting the Mail and Express for goodness sake.

Anyway,has anyone any real thoughts on what the Con MP said as to Mrs May having to go backed up by Anna Soubry too today too.
Rather than hide the failure of Mrs May and the mess she has brought to govt.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9352153)

TBH it's not so much defending Tories as protecting us from Labour. I do feel safer with the Tories. I am not rich, I'm ok, although I have struggled in the past, but I feel on more solid ground with them. I don't particularly like May, I would rather see David Davis as PM, but she is PM ATM so I will support her.

Like most I want more money spent our public services, especially the NHS, but not at the cost of our security and freedoms and, ATM, I feel the tories and their policies are the most likely to do that. I also want to see a fairer society but the way Labour are going about it with policies that will break the bank and put us further in debt is not the way to do it. Corbynis full of promises, like he thinks he has all the answers, but with nothing substantial to back them up in my book. Add that to the security risk I feel he poses I don't want anything to do with him.

I care about the future of my children and their families and with Corbyn and his views I fear for the future for all our children. I feel he cares more about minority groups than the majority of people in this country. There is of course nothing wrong with caring about the less fortunate or excluded in our society but I sometimes feel he takes it to extremes and sees himself, rather arrogantly, as some kind of saviour for all mankind - he us not - and I think this blinds his viewpoint and makes him potentially dangerous - hence his sympathetic views on terrorists.

He seems to see terrorism as some kind of understandable fight against injustice and it isn't. Terrorism is never justified. I think he may have a chip on his shoulder about his privileged upbringing and some kind of 'issue' with the way he was brought up. But then again, like many politicians, maybe he is simply on a power trip, but is better as disguising his motives. Anyway there are too many maybe's in my mind to trust him.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9351942)

The fact is Corbyn supporters just don't seem to care that he was a friend and sympathiser of murderers - I find that chilling, but then it wasn't their relatives or friends his buddies murdered eh? As long as Corbyn sweet talks them with the dubious promises of a lot more pounds in their pockets, he's their man and they will close their eyes and ears and just refuse to believe or care about so called 'slurs' against His Benevolence. Money certainly does talk and it talks louder than respect for human life - the root of all evil indeed.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9352109)

All this Corbyn stuff is just plain silly, people are clinging onto things that happened 20+ years ago which have been blown out of proportion and even presented in a false manner for purposes of character assassination all while ignoring the fact that May is arming the middle east which has the effect of stirring that volatile pot and is actually, in this day and age, is in talks of forming an actual coallition with a party that ACTUALLY has links to terrorism.

You can't make up this level of rampant hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9352160)

A heavy bias is starting to show now here, jet, and it's a real disservice to the measured and balanced posts you were making just yesterday. You've prompted me to pencil in a time to honestly, genuinely and openly look into Corbyn's history with the IRA when I get the time to give it the attention it deserves (currently being intermittently pestered by two bored children).

But your posts today are a world apart and the balance has completely disappeared? It's a shame, is all I'm saying really, and I hope your earlier posts were the genuine ones.

[edited to add] I'm not on a high horse here, I'm no stranger to having my posts dip (or plummet) in quality for emotional reasons. Dunno if anyone has noticed though fingers crossed.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9352196)

Yes, I would agree with you that my posts are becoming more emotional and probably just plain bloody minded due to frustration. I have very personal reasons for getting so emotional about Corbyn and I can't expect anyone to feel what I feel, that's impossible and unfair. So if I can't maintain balance I should opt out of the discussion, and I will.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9352195)

Twenty years is really not that long ago, although of course it seems it when you are only in your early twenties - but Corbyn knows Better.

Terrorism is a heinous crime and any sympathy for it, no matter how long ago, can ever be ignored. He has also demonstrated similar views much more recently regarding ISIS so as a supporter of his your own rampant hypocrisy does not go unnoticed.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9352337)

If any of this is true then why hasn't he been forced to resign? People have been outcast from politics for less so, if he truly was a terrorist sympathiser, then how has he managed to stay in politics for so long? It doesn't make much sense if what you are saying is true.

Then again, your definition of 'terrorist sympathiser' has always been a bit wonky, just because he isn't bloodthirsty and values peace over war doesn't make him a terrorist sympathiser.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9351942)

The fact is Corbyn supporters just don't seem to care that he was a friend and sympathiser of murderers - I find that chilling, but then it wasn't their relatives or friends his buddies murdered eh? As long as Corbyn sweet talks them with the dubious promises of a lot more pounds in their pockets, he's their man and they will close their eyes and ears and just refuse to believe or care about so called 'slurs' against His Benevolence. Money certainly does talk and it talks louder than respect for human life - the root of all evil indeed.

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 9352576)

Indeed.
Who knew so many could be bought.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9352636)

Is this the new rhetoric now? That anyone who doesn't vote Tory is greedy and moneygrubbing and just wants more money in their own back pocket? Petty and untrue, is all there really is to say about that. I can't imagine those saying it even believe it, just deliberately trying to be offensive :facepalm:.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9349849)

Yet another U turn, not a word will be said about this because they are English terrorists who never got any condemnation in the British press, they were only killing Irish Catholics so no need to report that

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9352717)

Given that Corbyn was preaching anti austerity and he was basically handing out £10 notes, people did vote because he was giving out free money. That was the whole platform that he stood on. To suggest anything else is pure denial.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9350561)

Only yours.

Corbyn is well known in N Ireland as an IRA sympathiser.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...IRA-links.html

Do you condemn his links to terrorism? His IRA buddies with links to Sinn Fein including their leader McGuiness killed and maimed thousands of innocent people, including women and children.
Much as I dislike the DUP, they are nothing compared to Sinn Fein and their buddies the murderous IRA.

Educate yourself before you pontificate about a country you haven't lived in all your life like I have. Perhaps if you had friends killed by the IRA you wouldn't think Corbyn such a great guy. That great guy spoke at rallies every year commemorating the loss of IRA killers. He makes me sick.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9352723)

What a gross over-simplification of anti-austerity philosophy :facepalm:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9351922)

If he "was considered a security threat" he wouldn't be in his position. It's as simple as that. Unless you believe the authorities to be incompetent to sitcom-levels.