I don't really get that argument we want Dads to have more involvement, we want them to quite rightly to look after their kids and help with the costs of raising them, we can't have it every way. No Dad, no kid, no abortion needed.

Rape is pretty much always mentioned when this subject comes up though, as much from the No side as the Yes

I would have thought this should have come first? though it makes no difference here to abortion rates

Whatever keeps you off the topic at hand I guess

Well not really because the push for this referendum came about because of medical treatment to pregnant women being affected by the 8th amendment, cases where the pregnancies were actually planned/wanted so contraception wasn't an issue. The biggest case of this and campaigning for the referendum was the Savita Halappanavar case

http://www.thejournal.ie/doctors-sav...27207-May2018/

I think Dads should have an opinion in some circumstances (if there's a good relationship there, mainly) but ultimately it's the woman's decision. The truth of nature is that a man's role is miniscule when it comes to pregnancy, until the baby's born and they can co-parent, men can't do anything to share the burden of pregnancy.

Its very much on topic thank you, also that is incorrect it should state Northern Ireland, the Republic is not a British Isle

Lots of women dont see pregnancy as a burden some actually love it, men can and do help women during the pregnancy.

Hit the nail on the head here Brillo :clap1:
Yikes...maybe take your own advice and crack out the geography books

Anyone can help a pregnant woman during her pregnancy, doesn't mean that they should have a say in what she does with her own body.

But that's two separate issues.

Is this a women only vote?

i expect not as normally its a man who impregnates them

No unfortunately not as it's a vote regarding removing something from our constitution, same as straight people really shouldn't have had a say on gay marriage either but the definition of marriage had to be changed in our constitution so everyone had a vote on it

Politically which was your original point Southern Ireland is not part of the British Isles, so we don't have to be in line with anything :hee:

:clap1:

The term British Isles is completely meaningless and is not a legal entity

abortion feels wrong in any way, if these women didn't want children, why not ask their man to wear a condom in the first place :hehe:


bringing children into this world, must only happen on Mutual agreement between both the man and the woman

Thanks niamh...12 weeks isnt as bad in my opinion.

Yeah I agree, except in medical cases obviously

THat’s not very realistic Nicky. Besides any man that doesn’t want children should wear one automatically, not wait to be asked - responsibility falls on everyone to protect themselves from parenthood.

Madness that this still needs debating...

One could only wish

100%

Nail meet head :clap1:

The vote is going to go
to the Undecided
as its a close vote.


Even SkyNewsHD Kay Burley is there today.

The result should be on Saturday