Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043707)

parmnion asked a question, forgetting that men also wear trousers, so the problem raised also applies to men. I provided an answer to her question. In summer, some men, notably postmen where short trousers.

I have also observed that some women also wear short trousers.

If we lived in an idealised utopian paradise where all men respected women and did not do such uncouth and despicable acts, then there would be no problems. Unfortunately we live in the real world, and some men are thoroughly reprobate and pariahs.

Given that is it not prudent to take precautions?

Here is a question for our female members here, do you go out at night after dark, as is your right to? Do you take precautions like keeping to well lit public areas, not going out alone, taking some defensive weapon like pepper spray or an assault alarm? How many of you have done some form of self defence class or training?

In the idealised utopian paradise, you should not need to, but we live in the real world so many do take such precautions and possibly others that I have missed off the list.

Some of the precautions I have listed are possibly some that might be given out by a crime prevention officer, giving advice, so what is the difference in giving advice on how to avoid being upskirted in the absence of any legislation?

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10043642)

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

Originally Posted by Maru (Post 10043648)

If it was voted on, isn't the bill essentially already written? I don't how parliament differs from here, but seems like if it just passing hands, then would be fine to vote through.

Without a penalty, there is no deterrent, so eventually it will have to be made into law. That ties up the hands of law enforcement. I imagine there is money to be made for folk who get these pictures as well...

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10043740)

A good use of parliamentary time is to ensure that measures are in place to ensure the safety and privacy of its citizens. If Parliament had time to concentrate on Brexit only, then there's more wrong than anyone ever thought possible. Besides, the laws we already have are not sufficient to deal with upskirting. Otherwise intelligent people wouldn't be wasting their time trying to get a new law introduced.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10045324)

By his own admission he's seen many of his own bills introduced in this manner, so he's either a liar or a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10045340)

he was not aware of the subject matter
he shouts Object

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10045406)

I hope when this law is implemented ,and it will be,that the pervy newspapers who take pics of women getting out of cars or bending over etc,also feel the force of the law, they rant and rage over pervs ,and there they are displaying unflattering pictures of women,as for this idiot of a person who blocked it,he wont last long.

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10041632)

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

Originally Posted by Maru (Post 10045851)

And the whole time I thought "OBJECT" meant we were having a conversation about objectifying women... maybe they misinterpreted what he really was trying to say. :laugh:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10045406)

I hope when this law is implemented ,and it will be,that the pervy newspapers who take pics of women getting out of cars or bending over etc,also feel the force of the law, they rant and rage over pervs ,and there they are displaying unflattering pictures of women,as for this idiot of a person who blocked it,he wont last long.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10045866)

But he has now said Sorry
I posted it long before your link

Originally Posted by Maru (Post 10045890)

No arista, I'm talking about the title of the thread. I didn't realize they say "object" there when voting something down, so it took on a whole different meaning ... I think here we just use "Nay"

Originally Posted by lime (Post 10045633)

Allthough my English is not great ...I read your post and tried again incase I missunderstood it ...but sadly no....Your idea of rocket science is for women not to wear skirts...???the world is gone mad now Stick's...I saw a woman driving a car last week....I/m still not the better of it

Originally Posted by Maru (Post 10045890)

No arista, I'm talking about the title of the thread. I didn't realize they say "object" there when voting something down, so it took on a whole different meaning ... I think here we just use "Nay"

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10045340)

No Kizzy
he was not aware of the subject matter
he shouts Object,
at everything taking his Brexit time.

After a day or so he was made aware
and gave a interview to his local paper
now after all the news channels
showed him what upskirting is.

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10045935)

This is an expression. There is a similar expression to "It's not rocket science" which is "It's not brain surgery"

Rocket science is seen as very difficult to do and only done by very very clever people as rocketry requires things like engineering, fuel issues, telemetry, ballistics, trajectories, avionics, electronics, aerodynamics, software engineering, space medicine.

Likewise Brain surgery is also seen as very a highly specialised branch of medicine.

When someone says something is not rocket science it means that it should not be hard to understand, grasp or carry out

What I said was that, in the absence of any legislation banning upskirting, and if some believe existing laws are not sufficient, the easiest way to thwart those deviant scum bags carrying out upskirting, is to wear trousers.

This is something, at least in Newcastle most women already do, of their own choice. The most popular form seemed to be jeans.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10046553)

How about women just go the whole hog and wear a burka?... if men are so predatory they cant control their urges at the sight of a bare leg then that seems the only option...

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10045958)

Parmnion educating the western world.:dance: