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Oliver_W 26-12-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigs (Post 10742160)
For someone who claims to not care and be ~so over~ people getting offended, ya sure seem to have quite an aggressive tone to your posts which paints you as nothing short of hateful and homophobic!

I would encourage you to have this same energy in a real life debate over the N word with a black person. See how that goes for you.

I'm sorry that you feel that I'm aggressive :shrug:

I'm neither hateful nor homophobic, and you have no reason or excuse to call me either. It's more like ... I'm gay and indifferently dismissive :joker: The way I see it, I have two choices when I hear the word "faggot"
1) get really upset and get stressed out over it
2) not do this ^
Which one do you think is the best use of time?

Also, the N-word is completely different. It has a(n actual) history of being used to oppress people, and to still use it in this day and age is disgusting.

Oliver_W 26-12-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10742163)
I didnt mean adding letters, just take the ownership of the word and don't let it bother

Oh okay, I misunderstood because you mentioned "queer", which is sometimes added to the end of LGBT, my apologies :)

Ant. 26-12-2019 08:28 PM

Oliver if you want to convince us you don't care why don't you just. Not respond

Oliver_W 26-12-2019 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10742167)
Oliver if you want to convince us you don't care why don't you just. Not respond

I don't care about the use of the word, and I find it baffling that others do :shrug:

Twosugars 26-12-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10742166)
Oh okay, I misunderstood because you mentioned "queer", which is sometimes added to the end of LGBT, my apologies :)

I wasn't offended :thumbs:

Ant. 26-12-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10742172)
I don't care about the use of the word, and I find it baffling that others do :shrug:

If you don't care about it why do you keep talking about it?

If you can't understand why people might find it offensive, can you at least respect that they do?

And on that note, why have you put the uncensored slur in your signature?

Matthew. 26-12-2019 08:50 PM

Unrelated to the debate, but speaking of the sig, are you aware that the lyrics are “Happy Christmas your arse, I *pray* God it’s our last?”

Matthew. 26-12-2019 08:51 PM

I watched the show this afternoon, thought it was great. Towels like a Ryvita :joker:

Oliver_W 26-12-2019 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew. (Post 10742175)
Unrelated to the debate, but speaking of the sig, are you aware that the lyrics are “Happy Christmas your arse, I *pray* God it’s our last?”

Oops, thanks for that!

Ant. 26-12-2019 08:59 PM

Oliver you missed a space between pray and God

Oliver_W 26-12-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10742178)
Oliver you missed a space between pray and God

ffs :joker: and I just noticed I missed out half of McGowan's line :joker: that sig was failure all round!

Ant. 26-12-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10742179)
ffs :joker: and I just noticed I missed out half of McGowan's line :joker: that sig was failure all round!

Oh goodness lol! What was the rush? Why didn't you just copy and paste it direct from the lyrics?

Jigs 26-12-2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10742165)
I'm sorry that you feel that I'm aggressive :shrug:

I'm neither hateful nor homophobic, and you have no reason or excuse to call me either. It's more like ... I'm gay and indifferently dismissive :joker: The way I see it, I have two choices when I hear the word "faggot"
1) get really upset and get stressed out over it
2) not do this ^
Which one do you think is the best use of time?

Also, the N-word is completely different. It has a(n actual) history of being used to oppress people, and to still use it in this day and age is disgusting.

Getting "upset and stressed" about something actually isn't a waste of time. If no one got upset about anything we would cease to live in a progressive society. It's good that we can discuss things like this because that's how we move forward.

Personally I am against the argument that it should be removed/censored from the song. I also wasn't opposed to it in the context of this episode. However, context is everything. You can't tell people when they can and can't take offense to a word - especially when it has a deeper meaning that is specific to a marginalised group. And you certainly cannot frame it within passive-aggressive sentiments such as "There are enough letters in LGBT, we don't need to add more".

Just trying to explain that although something might not matter to you, doesn't mean you can just shrug it off as a non-issue~

Oliver_W 26-12-2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10742180)
Oh goodness lol! What was the rush? Why didn't you just copy and paste it direct from the lyrics?

I can't even remember, it was probably on tablet or something. My screen on that is a bit crap so long-press doesn't always work :(

Ant. 26-12-2019 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10742183)
I can't even remember, it was probably on tablet or something. My screen on that is a bit crap so long-press doesn't always work :(

Oh lol

Thanks for censoring your signature by the way!

Marsh. 26-12-2019 11:53 PM

Imagine putting the song lyrics in your sig just to be edgy.

Glenn. 27-12-2019 02:46 AM

He missed a line too

Ant. 27-12-2019 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10742174)
If you don't care about it why do you keep talking about it?

If you can't understand why people might find it offensive, can you at least respect that they do?

And on that note, why have you put the uncensored slur in your signature?

hey oliver! not sure if you saw this but just bumping it!

Oliver_W 27-12-2019 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigs (Post 10742182)
Getting "upset and stressed" about something actually isn't a waste of time. If no one got upset about anything we would cease to live in a progressive society. It's good that we can discuss things like this because that's how we move forward.

Depends really. In cases like this, no progress needs to be made, there's nothing to fight against, no need to move forward. So getting upset that they sang the full lyrics is a waste of time.

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However, context is everything. You can't tell people when they can and can't take offense to a word - especially when it has a deeper meaning that is specific to a marginalised group.
People are free to do what they want - someone could call me a fag (never happened), before my physio took effect I got called a **** due to my walk... those were the choices of the people who said those things. The choices I had in return were:
- punch them in the face
- let it ruin my day
- not care.
"Deeper meanings" only have any meaning if you let them. I'd never tell someone not to take offence, I just think that maybe they should get a grip and not let the sounds an idiot makes with their mouth affect their day :shrug:

Oliver_W 27-12-2019 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10742250)
hey oliver! not sure if you saw this but just bumping it!

I wouldn't "keep talking about it" if people learned to not let words be lessons :shrug: Maybe a part of my brain is missing or something :joker: but I literally can't understand why people let themselves get offended by stuff like that...

Firewire 27-12-2019 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10742225)
Imagine putting the song lyrics in your sig just to be edgy.

Embarrassing

Crimson Dynamo 27-12-2019 09:34 AM


Crimson Dynamo 27-12-2019 10:12 AM

"at one point last night you said exonerate!"


:laugh2:

Saph 27-12-2019 10:31 AM

are they gonna do a series 4?

I feel like everyone would be up for it except Cordon, hes got plenty going on in america

Firewire 27-12-2019 11:42 AM

I think it'll just be another Christmas special next year


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