...Sadie Kahn can’t control his Londonstan and is ‘creating a terror state’...apparently and allegedly, with no incite full language being used...meanwhile back in America, mental illness is the cause so all incite full language is acceptable ../...excusable or overlook-able...

The American constitution is directly responsible for enabling mass shooters. If the right to bear arms were not written in to the constitution, then people would not be able to do the shootings. No president from whatever political side has shown any intention of fixing that.

...there is a vast chasm between ‘contributing to’ and ‘being able to prevent’...I don’t recall a president who has used condoning language of prejudice in the way the current President does...and that cannot and should not be overlooked or pushed aside....

Try maintaining a bit of perspective nobody is suggesting that trumps responsible for every shooting ever.
It is specifically the targetted attacks in reference to incitement by Trump and his policies.
In the space of one week there were 2 attacks, (the garlic festival and El paso) in which the killers themselves referenced wording that could have come direct from a trump rally, this quote is part if the july 28th garlic festival killers monologue prior to the attack 'hordes of*mestizos'...
Now you would have to be really blinkered to not see the correlation here...

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I dont think that type of post really helps in SD :shrug:


can you just make a point without oblique insults?

i wouldn't dispute that, but some politician saying something does not in itself turn someone into a killer. There isn't a direct link because someone has to want to go out and kill people to start with, and that person would equally likely start killing because someone didn't look at him right or was wearing the wrong shirt or whatever.

People want to pin responsibility on things when the person doing the killing was just looking for any old excuse to do what they had always wanted to do.

Again, it’s not about amending the constitution, banning military grade weapons wouldn’t encroach on the 2nd amendment, neither would putting extensive gun control laws into place, Canada has a high number of guns, but very laws, training, full background checks, guns have to stay locked up when not in use and they’ve only had 12 mass shootings in about 15 years, gun control does work and it’s about time the GOP saw that

...we don’t know what ‘triggers’ though, do we...we don’t know if it’s an inevitability that would happen anyway, or not...and we definitely don’t know whether it would be the same time../..the same place etc...or if there are factors...’influences’ that would dictate that...the trigger mechanism, as it were...maybe people go through their whole lives with the ‘potential to but not meeting the trigger’...?...who knows, we don’t for sure, bots...but what we do know and equally for sure...if the president did not show both irresponsibility and prejudice in his words then none of us would be having this conversation in terms of the provocative nature of too many of his ‘speeches’...

And actually, in respect of the El Paso shooting, his manifesto clearly states that he only decided to do what he did when he read ‘the great replacement’ a far-right conspiracy theory book about immigrants and decided it was the truth and tgat he had to do something about it, so stating that people can’t be ‘swayed’ by something isn’t true at all.

Add in President Loco’s rhetoric about an ‘invasion’ and ‘infestation’ of criminals and bad brown people, easily accessible weapons of war and you’ve got yourself a radicalised far right demosetic terrorist

or you could look at the immigration problem and previous presidents in ability to deal with it and say that perhaps this was the inevitable consequence of that

Yeah, it’s definitely because of that, not because the current president and his people are telling people that the nasty immigrants are going to murder them and rape their kids, totally

So what is indoctrination about? What is incitement? ... what is radicalisation?

id imagine what is going on around in in his life is far more influential. How many young people his age do you know are influenced, care, or listen to Boris Johnson?


(probably none)

Great point Liam :clap1:

State the obvious day...socialisation shapes young people there are many factors parents, educators, peers or media.
Young people Are interested in politics he was 21, it's insulting to suggest at that age you don't listen to politicians, which is why we should be able to trust them not to be sowing seeds of hate and division. .. but both here and in the US unfortunately we can't.

"there are many factors parents, educators, peers or media"

indeed and politicians come way down that list.

Yeah, to me it just reflects an ever more sick society and its not just america, it's across the world.

It's in peoples dna to try and associate blame to something that they dislike. Trump is a very polarising figure, there is no disputing that, but there are far more fundamental issues at play here than Trump

...most Presidents are not on the list at all...only those who verbalise their prejudice so provocatively and who laugh at and joke about comments of violence ...(...and murder...ho, ho, ho...shoot ‘em...)...

i think you need some context as comments in isolation dont add much to any debate, in fact they often escalate violence

Parents are influenced by politicians and they in turn influence young people.
I did mention media too.

I don't get what's so hard to understand here...
If the politicians spew hate via the media and parents regurgitated said hate then young people may become quite disaffected. . It's not a radical theory, it's very basic socialisation.

What a bizarre notion that politicians just talk and don't influence anyone when that's basically their job! :/

And secondly an equally odd suggestion that mass killers just kill people.. no influence required, they just wake up one day and think ' oh I'm going to blow some heads off today'...pffft.

what if his parents were democrats?

Who knows?
This conversation is over... I've made my point you can waffle on to someone else now.

Tony Blair was responsible for many more innocent deaths due to his religious fanaticism and rhetoric than Trump is .... let that sink in for a minute

if the best you can do is pat yourself on the back and insult me then id suggest you should

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Ok