Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10915271)

The attempt to apply this narrative to JK Rowling is pretty much ludicrous and that's where the entire debate is falling apart for the majority of people and why mainstream support is being rapidly eroded. It's just not reasonable in the slightest to try to paint The Woman Wot Wrote Harry Potter as some sort of secret bigoted immigrant-bashing covert agent of the right... And trying to make it out to be the case makes any other claim of persecution - including the ones that ARE very valid - seem like they might be questionable.

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10915272)

I didn’t once claim that was anything to do with JK, unless she’s suddenly a part of the right wing press

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10915275)

The whole thread is about JK though, and your explanation for increasing concern is right-wing influence. Unless you're thinking more along the lines that people who have concerns have been duped or had their heads turned by the right wing press? Either way, it seems odd that people who have not had their heads turned whatsoever by any other element of the right wing press have concerns about the current trans rights narrative? Why would that be?

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10915242)

Trans women have been using female changing areas and bathrooms for as long as I can remember, are you suggesting trans women, even those who’ve had the full procedure shouldn’t be allowed to use them anymore? Because that would be discriminatory Oliver

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10915281)

I think the right wing press have done a very good job of highlighting minimal instances of people using the ‘trans’ umbrella and doing bad things, in order to concoct a ‘war’ that doesn’t really need to be fought, it’s how they scare the nationalists with immigrants, I think it’s how they’re scaring women into fighting their battles for them, but of course, that’s just my opinion

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10915288)

And suggesting males can use female spaces is discrimination against women, or at least it goes against their rights to single-sex spaces. When it comes down to it, trans rights and womens rights aren't 100% compatible.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10915226)

I think one of the key issues here is that for there to be a discussion at all there needs to be acknowledgement that many women (and others in support) have concerns, and that having concerns is not inherently transphobic. And there needs to be acknowledgement that transpeople obviously have concerns about their own rights too. And acceptance that those concerns have areas where they collide in complicated ways.

There is no discussion to be had with anyone who can't accept those basic premises to be honest, on either side.

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10915292)

So that’s a yes to discriminating against even the post-op trans women then

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10915300)

I don't even think that's the right word - maintaining the rights of half the population, versus bending them for less than 1%? Hard to think of that as discrimination tbh :shrug:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10915302)

Except it’s not ‘bending’ because trans women are already allowed to use those public spaces, so taking those rights away and banning them from doing so because of their identity, would most definitely be discriminatory

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10915118)

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

Originally Posted by Scarlett. (Post 10914821)

I liked Harry Potter, but I will not be having any more to do with it, since the money would go to her.