All politicians bend or deflect the truth / lie .. they always have and they always will ..


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there is bending truth and then there is bare faced lying, you are fudging it

Whether boris agrees or not, his time is up, he wont fight the next election

Can't fecking believe people on here defending the fecker.

Unbelievable.

You need to go wobble your head big time.

You are completely missing the point.

He set the rules!!!! .....

You can simplify it as much as you want by saying it was a sandwich and a dribble.

My arse it was. You admitted in another thread you haven't really followed it but just like Boris.

It’s’ not Boris who would have decided on the rules, he isn’t an expert on pandemics. He could only take the lead from those whose job it was to advise him on what course to take. They are blame free, apparently.

I can understand people taking their anger out on Boris, but also think of all the many thousands of people whose loved one’s lives were saved because of the vaccines; how the Ukranians are praising him for his very real support above all other leaders. I think this plot to oust him from many quarters has a lot more to it than Partygate, it’s just an excuse.

he is the flippin prime minister, he gives his official ok to everything .... what you say is just incorrect.

Why wouldn't he give his okay to the pandemic experts advice on the course of action to take? He knew no more about the risks than you or I.

What would you have done in his shoes, and why?

I do understand what you are saying but in the same breath, it wasn't Boris who masterminded the vaccine roll out. You can't say he didn't set the rules then in the same breath say he is responsible for all the good stuff.

I get that he is a figure head as such but the buck has to stop somewhere. He is the top man so the buck stops with him. Did he turn a blind eye to some of the parties? Did he even know about them? Don't know but he is the boss so has to take the responsibility.

Would he have been quite so vocal on Ukraine if his neck wasn't on the block about Partygate and he saw it as a diversion?? (don't get me wrong I do think he has handled the Ukraine situation admirably and has caused more countries to step up but the cynical side of me thinks he may have had ulterior motives).

He had the balls to forge ahead with the vaccine rollout asap, when other countries did nothing or lagged way behind. No - one knew how effective it would be but he took the risk and went for it, cost be damned.

Not broken the rules I told the citizens of the country I run they had to abide by? Lead by example? That sort of thing

That's not an answer to the question I asked.

I get that - but his advisors will have told him to go for it - just like his advisors told him which rules to set :shrug:

I’ve followed the interesting bits ..

I don’t have any political affiliations ..


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If Boris hadn't delivered Brexit, (which I was neutral about) many more would have died....

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/25/u...gbr/index.html

The UK, no longer a member of the European Union, opted not to work with its European partners in procuring or approving vaccines. As a result, it was able to negotiate contracts and approve vaccines for use more quickly.

"If you wanted a single demonstration of why Brexit was important, you've got it. If we were still in the EU now some people would be dead who are not. It's nothing to crow about, it's just true," said David Davis, a veteran lawmaker and former Brexit secretary.

There are other reasons the UK got ahead, not least Johnson's massive spending spree when it came to procuring vaccines….


I didn't see the media gushing over his vaccine rollout success, and haven't over his brilliant support of Ukraine - just months of endless talk of how dreadful Partygate is.....

I understand all that Jet - but i feel you are missing my point.

You said that Boris didn't set the rules - his advisors did (as a way to re-apportion blame for Boris breaking said rules). I am saying if you believe that to be true you cannot expect people to think that everything good you believe he has done for the country is simply on his say so - his advisors are responsible for that too. Based on the way you are viewing things.

He broke his own lock down rules - you said he didn't set the rules his advisors did

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He delivered Brexit and the vaccine roll out - Boris himself yay Boris.

He has a whole team behind the scenes working on everything - yes he might not have physically sat down and wrote a list of rules but he signed them off therefore he is responsible for them - and he went ahead and broke them anyway.

That is simply my point, I don't understand why we are still talking about this. :laugh:

Not really. The pandemic was an unprecedented occurrence which he would have had no experience of whatsoever.
That cannot be said of many other areas of government - I’m pretty sure he likes his own way on many issues.

And I have never said it was fine for him to break the rules.
I have said as the leader of the country under severe pressure at a dreadful time I can understand why he succumbed to a little light relief with colleagues now and then. Even Prime ministers are flawed human beings.

I respect your viewpoint though on this issue and I hope you respect mine.

I agree with this Jet, people have different opinions and thats good ,well should be,we all see things differently , I have a lot of opinion on it all but you just know it will trigger those that dont agree,but it doesnt change my opinion, I will say though I don't follow blindly, I dont think he is perfect but given the circumstances when he first got in ,he's not done so bad,I mean as if he would purposely piss the public off as they are his voters whatever he's done he obviously didnt think it was so wrong and I do think there is more to the desperation of some wanting him out than meets the eye.Why would he commit political suicide?Will he survive ? I dont know, but cant see any better alternative.

if he hasn't gone before the next GE, the people will decide if they want him or not. Eventually he will get his backing or kicked into the long grass

Yes I think thats a fair comment bots,let the public decide at the next GE.

Of course I respect your viewpoint.

I don't really have an issue with the "party" part as such, it was the lying afterwards that is my biggest issue. I don't think he probably did realise that what they did constitute breaking the rules but afterwards he would have known and still he lied. That's my issue.

I would personally have had far more respect for him if he had held his hands up.

I know that won't be the case for a lot of his detractors but its my opinion. He let himself and the government as a whole down by continuing the lie.