Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11480417)

…and following on from social services involvement in a matter/concern that was reported within a Roma community family…and what’s said to have sparked the rioting…

Leeds City Council has said it is conducting an "urgent review" of a "family matter" that sparked rioting in the Harehills area.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper condemned the scenes of violence that were shared widely on social media on Thursday evening.

She warned that perpetrators of the "audacious criminality" would "face the full force of the law".

On Friday, representatives of the Roma community met with Leeds City Council to "express concerns about a family matter" that took place on 18 July.

Previously, police said officers had been called out around 5pm on Thursday "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter".

They said responding officers were attacked, and helped social staff withdraw "to a place of safety".

Following this, disorder escalated into the riots and violence that left a bus burning and a police car flipped over.

On Friday, the council said it had agreed to undertake an urgent review of the case and work with the Romanian and Roma community moving forward.

A council statement added: "The Romanian and Roma community have played a fantastic role in the community and have contributed much to the diversity and richness of the Harehills.

"We want this work to continue, and develop further work that makes Harehills an even better place to work and live.

"The events of last night will not help our community or the family.

"We need to work together with the authorities to ensure that best outcomes for the community, and to ensure our voices are heard at the highest level so we can avoid such scenarios in the future."

Speaking also on Friday evening, Ms Cooper said: "It's important that people can feel safe on their streets and the perpetrators feel the full force of the law.

"We've seen issues around misinformation with police having to respond to a complex child protection issue.

"Many people will have seen on social media some of the shocking scenes of audacious criminality, and that's why it's so important that those people face the full force of the law."

This comes as West Yorkshire Police said they had arrested five people following the riots and scenes of violence.

Officers have said more arrests are expected in the coming days.

The riots, the force said, broke out in the Harehills area on Thursday.

After initially responding, police withdrew from the unrest that escalated into violence, leading to a police vehicle being flipped, rocks and bottles being thrown and several fires set - including a bus being lit on fire.

Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said: "We continually assessed the situation and took the decision to deploy specialist public order officers who then came under a barrage of bricks and missiles from a large group."

Then, a decision was made to withdraw officers when it became "evident that the police was their sole target", in order to calm tensions.

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Residents were warned to stay home as local councillors tried in person and on social media to calm the crowds and ease the disorder.

Green Party councillor for Gipton and Harehills Mothin Ali described the scenes as "absolute mayhem" and called for the community to stay calm after the incident.

Speaking from the scene on Friday, he said: "The scene was absolute mayhem. It was quite chaotic.

"We were trying to shelter the police, act as human shields for the police, because they were there without helmets, without shields, being pelted with bricks and bottles, so we were trying to calm people down and act as a protective barrier."

Mr Ali said local officers had been "fantastic" but he said withdrawing had been the wrong decision.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11480600)

Leeds City Council are into cult speak I see.:think:

They just missed off inclusivity, equity, and equality, and we would be having the most unoriginal statement of all time.

Good going Leeds.:thumbs:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11480624)

…huh…?…I don’t get what you’re saying, Mock…there is obviously a huge unrest within a part of the community there atm which is at crises point so the council are saying that they value their Roma community…(…which I think is around 5000 people…)…who are part of the fabric of Leeds…I can’t see the ‘cult speak’ in that…we have a local traveller community here where I am and that has been a part of the community for many years, which surely adds a diversity because it creates understandings and tolerance….obviously not so much in Leeds atm, but that’s the point…to try to resolve what has escalated atm…

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11480634)

I'm saying that whenever anyone uses the term "diversity" these days in a bid to appeal to the public (in the Leeds Council's case, for tourism purposes,) it normally tells me that they're a drone with no actual opinions of their own, nor do they have the ability to express themselves in a way that's showing that they have an individual thought of their own.

And when it comes to the unrest part, I don't know how that gets resolved when a portion of the Roma community are championing bad parenting? Unless somehow the Leeds City Council can convince them that child neglect (if that report is true) is wrong I don't see a solution in the present.

Tbf to the Roma community though, the fact that none of the rioters didn't question why Social Services (a group that normally has it's hands tied behind it's back) is actually proceeding to take the Father's children away from him didn't twig with them that "hey, this guy might just be a bad parent."

That's the logic that the Leeds City Council have got to try and fix, because disturbingly there were probably people in Leeds that didn't riot, but secretly agreed with what the rioters were doing.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11480638)

…but a drone mentality would be not considering the fabric of a community and the importance of so many considerations that would maintain…(…or in this case, again reach…)…a situation of equal trust and a solution so that what’s been happening doesn’t continue …this isn’t about personal opinions of anyone, it’s about a council addressing a volatile situation within their jurisdiction and of course they’d do that, that’s what we’d hope from our councils and to also use ‘calming language’ …

…with ‘bad parenting’ …that’s not a label or assumption that I’m going to put on anyone because I feel that I don’t know any of the circumstances of Social Services involvement…again that’s something that has to be worked out with those involved for the safety of the children …but surely to assume any bad parenting or child neglect without having depth of knowledge of a family situation is the very definition of a ‘drone mindset’…

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11480656)

In my view I don't believe that the Social Services in this country would act unless they were concerned about something that they were seeing.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 11481320)

1 man remanded in custody until august 19th for arson etc etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx0283e887wo

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11481336)

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11481336)

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11481552)

…it’s has to be said as well that there is a legal responsibility to investigate any ‘allegations’ also…which they obviously have done in the Leeds riot specific case, also…I’m always reluctant to comment though without knowing any details because the accusations themselves can be quite mis-informed/can have agendas and many other layers etc or relevant factors that we’re not always aware of…

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 11481883)

Billy Mitchell

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11481992)

:omgno:

Knew he was a wrong'un from way back, when he was beating up poor Jamie.

Never believed all of that rubbish about him being "a changed man".




GUILTY as sin.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11482038)

So there's a new Mitchell Brother in town?
@arista

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11482103)

Probably Billy Mitchell's brother, so a Mitchell Cousin really, the core brothers were of course Grant and Phiw.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 11484976)

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4C...2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 11484976)

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4C...2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11485075)

Wrong thread ?


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