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pinkmichk 29-07-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyland (Post 3575984)
I know! Imagine being there at night with just torches and seeing that.. I don't think my ticker would hold out to be honest! :D

its the 1 i were talking bout even in daytime i would be crapping myself if i saw that

Miss Ivy Balls 29-07-2010 02:57 PM

Some other pictures of the same place of the same photo I last posted:

Ohhhhh lordyyyy. Take a look at some of these pictures. I especially like this first one as it has a nice view:

http://www.mountain7.co.uk/uploads/opacity2.jpg
http://lisawallerrogers.files.wordpr...quarantine.jpg
As we near the end of the winter of the Swine Flu we are reminded of another time in history, before vaccines and antibiotics, when the rapid spread of disease struck fear in the hearts of the population of New York.


In the summer of 1906, New York banker Charles Henry Warren took his family on vacation to Oyster Bay Long Island. He rented a summer home from George Thompson and his wife and looked forward to rest and relaxation in one of the most beautiful vacation spots in America. Being quite well of the family could afford to hire their own private cook for the trip and Warren and his wife hired Mary Mallon a 37 year old Irish domestic who had emigrated to the States when she was about fifteen.

On August 27, one of the Warren's daughters became ill with typhoid fever. Soon, Mrs. Warren and two maids became ill; followed by the gardener and another Warren daughter. In total, six of the eleven people in the house came down with typhoid.

Since the common way typhoid spread was through water or food sources, the owners of the home feared they would not be able to rent the property again without first discovering the source of the outbreak. The Thompsons first hired investigators to find the cause, but they were unsuccessful.

Then the Thompsons hired George Soper, a civil engineer with experience in typhoid fever outbreaks. It was Soper who believed the recently hired cook, Mary Mallon, was the cause. Mallon had left the Warren's approximately three weeks after the outbreak. Soper began to research her employment history for more clues.

Soper was able to trace Mallon's employment history back to 1900. He found that typhoid outbreaks had followed Mallon from job to job. From 1900 to 1907, Soper found that Mallon had worked at seven jobs in which 22 people had become ill, including one young girl who died, with typhoid fever shortly after Mallon had come to work for them.


Marry Mallon in North Brother Hospital Bed
Wikimedia Commons


Convinced that Mary was the source of these typhoid cases he approached her to see if she would co-operate and allow for the analysis of a stool specimen. Insulted and probably frightened, Mary refused to co-operate, twice threatening Soper with a knife. Eventually, New York Public Health Officials had to "capture" Mary and take her, against her will, to Willard Parker Hospital.

Tests at the hospital revealed Mary to be the first healthy carrier of typhoid fever in the United States. Upon discovering this the health department transferred Mallon to an isolated cottage (part of the Riverside Hospital) on North Brother Island (in the East River near the Bronx).

Mary was taken against her will and essentially imprisoned because she was a carrier of a disease that could kill others who came into contact with the food she was preparing. The incident created a myriad of moral and ethical questions for the health care professionals in the city at the time. There was a charter in place allowing for the quarantine of sick people but to imprison someone who was healthy seemed wrong.

In 1909, after having been isolated for two years on North Brother Island, Mallon sued the health department. But the judge in the case ruled in favor of the health officials and Mallon, now popularly known as "Typhoid Mary," "was remanded to the custody of the Board of Health of the City of New York." Mallon went back to the isolated cottage on North Brother Island with little hope of being released.

In February of 1910, a new health commissioner decided that Mallon could go free as long as she agreed never to work as a cook again. Anxious to regain her freedom, Mallon accepted the conditions. On February 19, 1910, Mary Mallon signed an affidavit stating that she "is prepared to change her occupation (that of cook), and will give assurance that she will upon her release take such hygienic precautions as will protect those with whom she comes in contact, from infection." She was let free.

In early 1915, twenty-five people became ill with typhoid at the Sloane maternity hospital. When workers noticed a resemblance of a cook, Mary Brown, to earlier photos of Typhoid Mary, it was found that Mary had taken a job as a cook at the hospital breaking her agreement with the Public Health Department.

Mallon was again sent to North Brother Island to live in the same isolated cottage that she had inhabited during her last confinement. For twenty-three more years, Mary Mallon remained imprisoned on the island. She would remain at North Brother until her death from complications of a stroke in 1938. An autopsy showed she still was still a carrier at the time of her death.

Miss Ivy Balls 29-07-2010 02:57 PM

Some other pictures of the same place of the same photo I last posted:

Ohhhhh lordyyyy. Take a look at some of these pictures. I especially like this first one as it has a nice view:

http://www.mountain7.co.uk/uploads/opacity2.jpg
http://lisawallerrogers.files.wordpr...quarantine.jpg
As we near the end of the winter of the Swine Flu we are reminded of another time in history, before vaccines and antibiotics, when the rapid spread of disease struck fear in the hearts of the population of New York.


In the summer of 1906, New York banker Charles Henry Warren took his family on vacation to Oyster Bay Long Island. He rented a summer home from George Thompson and his wife and looked forward to rest and relaxation in one of the most beautiful vacation spots in America. Being quite well of the family could afford to hire their own private cook for the trip and Warren and his wife hired Mary Mallon a 37 year old Irish domestic who had emigrated to the States when she was about fifteen.

On August 27, one of the Warren's daughters became ill with typhoid fever. Soon, Mrs. Warren and two maids became ill; followed by the gardener and another Warren daughter. In total, six of the eleven people in the house came down with typhoid.

Since the common way typhoid spread was through water or food sources, the owners of the home feared they would not be able to rent the property again without first discovering the source of the outbreak. The Thompsons first hired investigators to find the cause, but they were unsuccessful.

Then the Thompsons hired George Soper, a civil engineer with experience in typhoid fever outbreaks. It was Soper who believed the recently hired cook, Mary Mallon, was the cause. Mallon had left the Warren's approximately three weeks after the outbreak. Soper began to research her employment history for more clues.

Soper was able to trace Mallon's employment history back to 1900. He found that typhoid outbreaks had followed Mallon from job to job. From 1900 to 1907, Soper found that Mallon had worked at seven jobs in which 22 people had become ill, including one young girl who died, with typhoid fever shortly after Mallon had come to work for them.


Marry Mallon in North Brother Hospital Bed
Wikimedia Commons


Convinced that Mary was the source of these typhoid cases he approached her to see if she would co-operate and allow for the analysis of a stool specimen. Insulted and probably frightened, Mary refused to co-operate, twice threatening Soper with a knife. Eventually, New York Public Health Officials had to "capture" Mary and take her, against her will, to Willard Parker Hospital.

Tests at the hospital revealed Mary to be the first healthy carrier of typhoid fever in the United States. Upon discovering this the health department transferred Mallon to an isolated cottage (part of the Riverside Hospital) on North Brother Island (in the East River near the Bronx).

Mary was taken against her will and essentially imprisoned because she was a carrier of a disease that could kill others who came into contact with the food she was preparing. The incident created a myriad of moral and ethical questions for the health care professionals in the city at the time. There was a charter in place allowing for the quarantine of sick people but to imprison someone who was healthy seemed wrong.

In 1909, after having been isolated for two years on North Brother Island, Mallon sued the health department. But the judge in the case ruled in favor of the health officials and Mallon, now popularly known as "Typhoid Mary," "was remanded to the custody of the Board of Health of the City of New York." Mallon went back to the isolated cottage on North Brother Island with little hope of being released.

In February of 1910, a new health commissioner decided that Mallon could go free as long as she agreed never to work as a cook again. Anxious to regain her freedom, Mallon accepted the conditions. On February 19, 1910, Mary Mallon signed an affidavit stating that she "is prepared to change her occupation (that of cook), and will give assurance that she will upon her release take such hygienic precautions as will protect those with whom she comes in contact, from infection." She was let free.

In early 1915, twenty-five people became ill with typhoid at the Sloane maternity hospital. When workers noticed a resemblance of a cook, Mary Brown, to earlier photos of Typhoid Mary, it was found that Mary had taken a job as a cook at the hospital breaking her agreement with the Public Health Department.

Mallon was again sent to North Brother Island to live in the same isolated cottage that she had inhabited during her last confinement. For twenty-three more years, Mary Mallon remained imprisoned on the island. She would remain at North Brother until her death from complications of a stroke in 1938. An autopsy showed she still was still a carrier at the time of her death.

Miss Ivy Balls 29-07-2010 03:01 PM

"Mallon was again sent to North Brother Island to live in the same isolated cottage that she had inhabited during her last confinement. For twenty-three more years, Mary Mallon remained imprisoned on the island. She would remain at North Brother until her death from complications of a stroke in 1938. An autopsy showed she still was still a carrier at the time of her death"

What a quality of life. :(

Lee. 30-07-2010 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas C (Post 3575931)
I've yet to see any pictures that really disturbs me.

All these pictures seem pretty normal to me.

I want to be scared!

I don't really find any of them scary as such... just really sad and depressing.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 30-07-2010 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyland (Post 3579812)
I don't really find any of them scary as such... just really sad and depressing.

this.

Lee. 30-07-2010 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewy (Post 3575951)
Aye :D

Chewy, where are you from?

Mrluvaluva 30-07-2010 01:03 AM

Very interesting site. I notice that even the BB house is not safe...

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=23854

Lee. 30-07-2010 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 3579898)
Very interesting site. I notice that even the BB house is not safe...

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=23854

Hahaha.. I've spent hours on that site looking at stuff and have never even noticed that!

God these people must have brass necks just to walk into some of these places eh?

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 30-07-2010 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 3579898)
Very interesting site. I notice that even the BB house is not safe...

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=23854

that is epic!!!!!!!!

Miss Ivy Balls 30-07-2010 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 3579898)
Very interesting site. I notice that even the BB house is not safe...

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=23854

That thread was closed. Was she even suppose to be in there?

Lee. 30-07-2010 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas C (Post 3579951)
That thread was closed. Was she even suppose to be in there?

Most threads are closed for some reason.. and to be honest with you, I don't think any of these people are supposed to be in any of those places :)

Mrluvaluva 30-07-2010 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyland (Post 3579932)
Hahaha.. I've spent hours on that site looking at stuff and have never even noticed that!

God these people must have brass necks just to walk into some of these places eh?

I agree. I wouldn't have the balls to do it and it seems to take a lot of planning and finding people "in the know". Some of these places people go past every day and don't even know what they were at one time. I have learnt a few things from there today.

Lee. 30-07-2010 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 3579969)
I agree. I wouldn't have the balls to do it and it seems to take a lot of planning and finding people "in the know". Some of these places people go past every day and don't even know what they were at one time. I have learnt a few things from there today.

I wouldn't have the balls to do it, but I would like to go with a crowd of experienced folk..you know just to watch what goes on. I wouldn't like to go anywhere unsafe though.. A few of them break into unstable buildings etc.. that would scare me

Miss Ivy Balls 30-07-2010 01:25 AM

I didn't even really know these places existed. Why not knock them down if they're not being used. Is there really a need to keep mental hospitals still standing after years and years.

Mrluvaluva 30-07-2010 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyland (Post 3579981)
I wouldn't have the balls to do it, but I would like to go with a crowd of experienced folk..you know just to watch what goes on. I wouldn't like to go anywhere unsafe though.. A few of them break into unstable buildings etc.. that would scare me

Some of them sound very dangerous, but some of the places are quite breathtaking. It's a shame more cannot be done to renovate them, such as St Pancras Chambers:


http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=26749


I like the fact that the people on the site that "visit" these places respect them and leave them as they find them more or less, so other people can go on enjoying them too, which is more than can be said of some others who have been in some of these places.

setanta 30-07-2010 05:48 AM

I'd like to see more late evening shots. They'd be very creepy, with night approaching.

billy123 30-07-2010 05:54 AM

Many thanks to the OP the 28DL forum is a goldmine including a few posts in my hometown including a nuclear bomb shelter which i have also visited with the owner.
Top notch i have spent hours searching that forum i love this type of thing.

Claymores 30-07-2010 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 3580355)
Many thanks to the OP the 28DL forum is a goldmine including a few posts in my hometown including a nuclear bomb shelter which i have also visited with the owner.
Top notch i have spent hours searching that forum i love this type of thing.

I'm kinda addicted to "Cities of the Underworld" on discovery Channel.

Quite near to where I live is Scotland's old Nuclear Shelter (now a crappy tourist attraction). My German pals all fall about in stitches when they see the signpostings for it "Scotland's Sectet Bunker ---->". Whenever one of them comes across, it's always their ambition to be photograhed standing next to the signpost and pointing.........I think at least half a dozen have done it now, it's become, an 'I visited Ian' marker to share the pic on a site we use! :joker:

pinkmichk 30-07-2010 08:14 AM

that bb one is epic
thomas they are not meant to be in any of the places thats the whole point about it but if you read the site they never break & enter nor do they go in and trash the place or take anything
my favourite poster on there is downfallen go check his stuff in the high stuff out (he mostly did high stuff cos he also had (i say had cos he died in december in a base jumping accident) a love of base jumping & sky diving) his pictures of london from high up buildings are just wow he even got on the 02 (speaking of which check his picture of the 02 in fog just amazing)

Lee. 30-07-2010 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 3580001)
Some of them sound very dangerous, but some of the places are quite breathtaking. It's a shame more cannot be done to renovate them, such as St Pancras Chambers:


http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=26749


I like the fact that the people on the site that "visit" these places respect them and leave them as they find them more or less, so other people can go on enjoying them too, which is more than can be said of some others who have been in some of these places.

They are great photos of St Pancras chambers.. what a beautiful looking place.

I notice too that they were taken by the forum memeber "Downfallen" who Pinkmichk mentions above..

I'm going to go and have a look at some more of his pics.

Lee. 14-08-2010 11:40 PM

I looked at all his pics.. Really tragic that he died doing something he loved :(

billy123 15-08-2010 12:41 AM

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=51251
i found that one to be interesting if a bit dangerous.
i read the whole thread and it ended up in the newspapers and the company that owned the site expressed how concerned they were at the breach in security and they had to hire a steeplejack to retrieve the flag they left up there :)
well the flag had the forums web address on so the steeplejack joined the forum to thank them for earning him £300 he also returned the flag and told them to keep up the good work he he.

billy123 15-08-2010 01:11 AM

I have also been reading downfallens reports he was a very talented photographer and graphic artist very sad.
here are a couple of videos he made and put on you tube before he died.

Lee. 15-08-2010 01:30 AM

Aw.. Bobnot, I haven't seen those videos. They're amazing but sad too? :(

pinkmichk 15-08-2010 09:43 AM

i was away last week and we went to a windmill (it was open to public and all so not really a explore) but i took pics in practice for when i go with my friend in sept i'm norm only really taking people pics or cars so was fun to do something different

Lee. 15-08-2010 09:54 AM

Funnily enough, I saw a really old abandoned windmill whilst on holiday last week.. I was itching to break in! hahaha

billy123 15-08-2010 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkmichk (Post 3662348)
i was away last week and we went to a windmill (it was open to public and all so not really a explore) but i took pics in practice for when i go with my friend in sept i'm norm only really taking people pics or cars so was fun to do something different

That sounds great you will have to let me know if you post them there.
i am planning on joining the forums over at 28DL as i may be able to wangle access to some victorian spa baths that have only seen the light of day to very few people in the last 30 years i was allowed in there as a contractor to do some work a few years ago and was absolutely staggered by what i saw such a beatiful place hidden from view. It will have to wait until i can buy a decent camera but with a bit of ear bending i think i can talk my way back in to get some photos.
Then i will join the forums and make my first contribution :)

Lee. 15-08-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 3662376)
That sounds great you will have to let me know if you post them there.
i am planning on joining the forums over at 28DL as i may be able to wangle access to some victorian spa baths that have only seen the light of day to very few people in the last 30 years i was allowed in there as a contractor to do some work a few years ago and was absolutely staggered by what i saw such a beatiful place hidden from view. It will have to wait until i can buy a decent camera but with a bit of ear bending i think i can talk my way back in to get some photos.
Then i will join the forums and make my first contribution :)

Oh I can't wait! Let us know when you've done it..

*jealous*

Shardlake 15-08-2010 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyland (Post 3569774)
Is anybody on these forums into urban exploration? (basically breaking into/photographing derlict buildings and the like)

I used to think I was weird as I used to always want to be left alone in buildings to have a root around after everybody was gone.. then I discovered I wasn't alone. There is a perfect hobby for me; but I have not yet indulged myself.. I want to one day though.

I have spent the past couple of years on this site http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/

Some of the images on there are amazing but some are really depressing (for me anyway) the disused hospitals and mental institutions especially.

Anyway, has anybody done this?

Thats a cool site, will have a good look through that. I dont partake in urban exploration, I am clumsy enough just walking down the street i'd probably break my neck in a derelict building :hugesmile: But I have heard of it and have seen it discussed before on Above Top Secret where there quite a few people who do it. Very interesting.

pinkmichk 15-08-2010 10:23 AM

i doubt i'll post these on there but if your curious heres link to album

Lee. 15-08-2010 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shardlake (Post 3662431)
Thats a cool site, will have a good look through that. I dont partake in urban exploration, I am clumsy enough just walking down the street i'd probably break my neck in a derelict building :hugesmile: But I have heard of it and have seen it discussed before on Above Top Secret where there quite a few people who do it. Very interesting.

Once you start looking at that site, I swear you'll be there for hours! :)

I actually spent days on it when I first found it!

Lee. 15-08-2010 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkmichk (Post 3662437)
i doubt i'll post these on there but if your curious heres link to album
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...9&l=5196133815

they're great!

Funnily enough, the old windmill I saw was in Norfolk too!

Have you just been on hols to Norfolk too?

pinkmichk 15-08-2010 10:50 AM

yep we just spent the week down in hemsby horsey mill was just down the road

Lee. 15-08-2010 10:51 AM

I loved Norfolk.. gorgeous place :)

billy123 15-08-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkmichk (Post 3662437)
i doubt i'll post these on there but if your curious heres link to album
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...9&l=5196133815

Thank you for those they are great pics very interesting :thumbs:

Lee. 19-08-2010 10:56 AM

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=52632

See this sort of thing facinates me.. Who lived in this beautiful little house? When did they die? Why has the house not been touched at all? I don't just mean by vandals, but by anyone. I mean did the people who owned the house not have any family? Who owns this house? I'm glad it's available for the likes of urban exploration, but it is also sad that such a gorgeous house is being left to rot..

Lee. 19-08-2010 11:10 AM

I can understand why I fine abandoned hospitals and asylums creepy but why a theme park?? This gives me the shivers for some reason..

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=52213

Lee. 03-09-2010 07:21 PM

For those interested in this stuff, another site..

http://www.urbexforums.co.uk/

pinkmichk 18-09-2010 05:09 PM

did my first proper explore today with my bestie :) was lots of fun but rather spooky once inside & it were only a water filter house there was a serious amount of graffiti some horrid but some amazing pieces of art took pics of my fav pieces
pics here if you want a look


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