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Mystic Mock 03-12-2010 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 3960431)
That sounds far too akin to the old line of defence trotted out by rapists, "She said no, but she didn't move did she", and I'm taken aback that anyone would think the word awkward resembles any similarity to 'enjoying or loving' something as you have suggested.

Not suggesting that Mario is a rapist, but in this particular scenario, he cleary is happy forcing himself on someone,therefore hence my reference. If it's more palatable, a wife beater for example, tends to assimilate the same twist on words (ie: "She asked for it", when clearly, the person did not 'ask for it' - but that is how the controlling person views it). Extreme examples but given to clarify complete misinterpretation of words by those who have the ability to abuse / control others by whatever means.

I'm actually quite shocked that Andrew tells Mario that the situation made him feel "Akward", and somehow, in Mario's defence, you have interpreted the word 'awkward' to mean 'loving it'. :conf: It means 'uncomfortable' / not at ease / unsettling. Never could it be misconstrued as anything even remotely close to what you have said.

How do you know Andrew loved it? Are you Andrew? If not, you have no idea what Andrew felt and have only what Andrew actually said, to judge. He certainly didn't say he loved it. (Maybe Corin was shouting, "I'm lovin' it', in the background and you've misheard) :joker:

Also: given the slim and somewhat gangly physical build of Andrew, it's laughable to suggest that Andrew was capable of dragging the portly, far far heavier Dave, anywhere...... even given that Dave had lost a few pounds by that stage! :joker:
i love how you have compared mario to a rapist.:joker:

Pyramid* 03-12-2010 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3960454)
i love how you have compared mario to a rapist.:joker:
In fairness: I didn't - because it wasn't what Mario said, ;). I provided typical examples of behaviour in controlling people and 'what is said during a situation where a person is forcing themselves upon another by whichever means, with that person vocalising how they feel and how the very clear word/s used vs how the spoken word/s are truly misinterpreted - to the advantage of the person doing the 'controlling'. It's a way of the controlling person 'validating' their unacceptable behaviour basically. As far as I'm aware, Mario didn't actually say this (well, not on the 'show' ;)): LauraC did - it's Laura's interpretation of what Andrew said, and her interpretation of it that I was questioning.

More from that angle - they were merely very extreme examples only!!

Mystic Mock 03-12-2010 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 3960479)
In fairness: I didn't - because it wasn't what Mario said, ;). I provided typical examples of behaviour in controlling people and 'what is said during a situation where a person is forcing themselves upon another by whichever means, with that person vocalising how they feel and how the very clear word/s used vs how the spoken word/s are truly misinterpreted - to the advantage of the person doing the 'controlling'. It's a way of the controlling person 'validating' their unacceptable behaviour basically. As far as I'm aware, Mario didn't actually say this (well, not on the 'show' ;)): LauraC did - it's Laura's interpretation of what Andrew said, and her interpretation of it that I was questioning.

More from that angle - they were merely very extreme examples only!!
i think laurac is mario.:joker:

Pyramid* 03-12-2010 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3960527)
i think laurac is mario.:joker:
We aren't here to discuss forum members ;) - although we can discuss and debate the points they may make in respect of what they post regarding Mario, Ben and all such connected things, especially when we're discussing Mario's behaviour in this particular area.


I still would be far better known for toying with my hair the way Ben does, than exposing myself and makind people feel awkward they way Mario did. But hey, that's just my opinion - but I do tend to be quite fussy! :hugesmile:

Mystic Mock 03-12-2010 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 3960550)
We aren't here to discuss forum members ;) - although we can discuss and debate the points they may make in respect of what they post regarding Mario, Ben and all such connected things, especially when we're discussing Mario's behaviour in this particular area.


I still would be far better known for toying with my hair the way Ben does, than exposing myself and makind people feel awkward they way Mario did. But hey, that's just my opinion - but I do tend to be quite fussy! :hugesmile:
but shes not a forum member,shes a mario fan and there evil.:joker:

and same here as i wouldnt want to be known as a pervert like mario does by most people.

Angus 03-12-2010 06:19 AM
My last contribution on the bollock -v- quiff debate is that, spin it out how you like, exposing one's genitals for whatever reason is NOT acceptable in any situation unless it's between CONSENTING adults, whereas being vain about one's hair is not only perfectly normal, but positively encouraged and promoted in this fashion conscious day and age.

Whilst it may be irritating for some to watch anyone fiddling with their hair, others find it an endearing trait, BUT it is not an arrestable, immoral or indecent act so the fact that the bollock exposing and quiff fiddling are being mooted by Mario fans as comparable activities is quite frankly ridiculous and makes them look extremely foolish.

Angus 03-12-2010 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lauraC (Post 3959740)
He used to walk around school naked apart from his choir uniform he told us on big brother during one of those games because it gave him a thrill, kinky devil!

So you mean he wore a long gown presumably under which he was commando?:laugh: So what? You are talking here about a teenage schoolboy not a 28 year old MAN who should demonstrate more self restraint, self respect and decorum, and who should respect the sensibilities of others. Ben did not expose himself to others uninvited for his own self gratification, that's the bottom line - there is just no getting around that fact.

Angus 03-12-2010 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lauraC (Post 3959774)
But kinky, he must enjoy the concept of being naked and naughty, I think if there had been enough alcohol in there we would have seen ben's little ben more often
Escapades at 17 years of age are one thing (and god knows I got up to some crazy stuff at that age), but most people have grown out of immature behaviours by the time they are in their twenties. Having said that, I find nothing wrong with someone going commando BENEATH a completely concealing garment. However, I have to wonder about the mentality of a 28year old man who is still stuck in his teen years and behaves so inappropriately and immaturely on national tv in front of millions - smacks of exhibitionism to me:wink: He was lucky that no-one made a formal complaint about his behaviour, because BB would have been forced to take action.

Angus 03-12-2010 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lauraC (Post 3959827)
Well he followed him into the bathroom it's a big house , he just desperately had to brush is teeth next to a naked mario?
Clearly you see nothing inappropriate about a grown man who is much older and therefore, presumably, more mature and insightful, exposing himself to a teenager who clearly hero worshipped him?:rolleyes: Smacks of manipulative exploitation to me, bordering on sexual harrassment, and I can only assume that Mario gets off on other's reactions to the sight of his naked body. Kinky or what?

Let's see how far he would get if he tried that stunt in public, for instance if gets the urge to strip off in the supermarket or in the street.:laugh:

lauraC 03-12-2010 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by King Herod (Post 3960687)
Clearly you see nothing inappropriate about a grown man who is much older and therefore, presumably, more mature and insightful, exposing himself to a teenager who clearly hero worshipped him?:rolleyes: Smacks of manipulative exploitation to me, bordering on sexual harrassment, and I can only assume that Mario gets off on other's reactions to the sight of his naked body. Kinky or what?

Let's see how far he would get if he tried that stunt in public, for instance if gets the urge to strip off in the supermarket or in the street.:laugh:
Andrew's 20, actually this topic has made me think, I'm going to sue my local gym, when that 70 year old woman was flashing her droopy boobs and saggy arse it was a clear come on, I feel violated she is at least 3 times my age!

lauraC 03-12-2010 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by King Herod (Post 3960680)
My last contribution on the bollock -v- quiff debate is that, spin it out how you like, exposing one's genitals for whatever reason is NOT acceptable in any situation unless it's between CONSENTING adults, whereas being vain about one's hair is not only perfectly normal, but positively encouraged and promoted in this fashion conscious day and age.

Whilst it may be irritating for some to watch anyone fiddling with their hair, others find it an endearing trait, BUT it is not an arrestable, immoral or indecent act so the fact that the bollock exposing and quiff fiddling are being mooted by Mario fans as comparable activities is quite frankly ridiculous and makes them look extremely foolish.
I think you have made a valid point, they were all consenting adults, noone goes on big brother if nakedness bothers them, we all saw dave and andrews bits, there is no mass histeria about that, nathan took naked showers ,rachel flashed her bits, keeva,shabby and josie had their boobs out , nakedness and big brother go hand in hand

lauraC 03-12-2010 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3960566)
but shes not a forum member,shes a mario fan and there evil.:joker:

and same here as i wouldnt want to be known as a pervert like mario does by most people.
Is this type of post allowed?

lauraC 03-12-2010 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Skellington (Post 3959823)
The most uncomfortable viewing in the house where each time Ben started a sentence with "I love him/her to bits, but....."
One of the most uncomfortable moments for me as a viewer was watching ben in a featal position lying on top of dave in the hut, but that was just me thinking of dave's family watching their dad /husband like that, but they are both consenting adults so whatever floats their boat

Stacey. 03-12-2010 10:01 AM
Oh dear, didn't even know this argument of Mario and Ben was still going on :L

pices 03-12-2010 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by King Herod (Post 3960687)
Clearly you see nothing inappropriate about a grown man who is much older and therefore, presumably, more mature and insightful, exposing himself to a teenager who clearly hero worshipped him?:rolleyes: Smacks of manipulative exploitation to me, bordering on sexual harrassment, and I can only assume that Mario gets off on other's reactions to the sight of his naked body. Kinky or what?

Let's see how far he would get if he tried that stunt in public, for instance if gets the urge to strip off in the supermarket or in the street.:laugh:
The letch Mario even suggested that Andrews awkwardness at having a naked man sitting on him was his own fault, he was like a perverse stalker in there, full on grooming is what it looked like to me, and seriously for those who say that Ben fiddling with his hair, or gossiping about others, or going commando under clothing when he was a teenager.....is in any way comparable to the full on creepiness that Mario displayed, well its just plain silly tbh, and it makes them look rather foolish.

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3960527)
i think laurac is mario.:joker:
:dance:

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by lauraC (Post 3960706)
Andrew's 20, actually this topic has made me think, I'm going to sue my local gym, when that 70 year old woman was flashing her droopy boobs and saggy arse it was a clear come on, I feel violated she is at least 3 times my age!
Why would I be getting the distinct feeling that despite your female name you are in fact a man ... maybe even a gay man ... ? Strange vibes ...

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance: :devil: :joker:

Malza 03-12-2010 12:09 PM
Wasn't this thread meant to be free from attacking or discussing other FM's?

But once again some of you got on that road again :bored:



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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3959947)
Oh sometimes you are just sad ... to equate that with the naked bollock thrusting ... it just makes you look ridiculous ... try not to show yourself up ...

:xyxwave:

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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3960566)
but shes not a forum member,shes a mario fan and there evil.:joker:
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3960968)
Why would I be getting the distinct feeling that despite your female name you are in fact a man ... maybe even a gay man ... ? Strange vibes ...

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance: :devil: :joker:

lauraC 03-12-2010 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3960968)
Why would I be getting the distinct feeling that despite your female name you are in fact a man ... maybe even a gay man ... ? Strange vibes ...

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance: :devil: :joker:
Paranoia?

lauraC 03-12-2010 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3960527)
i think laurac is mario.:joker:
Despite me posting while mario was doing a twitcam? Okay...
I take it your not really JC? Otherwise you would know I'm not and also you would be more polite, spread the love JC otherwise you will be offending the whole christian community

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Skellington (Post 3961050)
Wasn't this thread meant to be free from attacking or discussing other FM's?

But once again some of you got on that road again :bored:
It is I am afraid sadly inevitable when the threads get taken (again and again) into speculative and 'kinky' (sic) territory with no real foundation other than the weird and quite disgusting thought processes which engender the baseless speculation - and the FMs who read these flights of fancy and are viscerally sickened by them then try to explain why they feel it is so wrong and why they feel that the people spinning these deeply sleazy and unpleasant theories are stepping into dark and despicable areas ... does that give you any kind of understanding of the processes involved ... ?

The thing is that most people feel it is done in the MOST disingenuous manner possible - and would like the baseless smearing and contamination to come to an end ... any chance of that?

Then we might be able to return to the discussion of housemates without the 'attacking or discussing' of other forum members ... most of us would be really relieved if that could happen ... thanking you in anticipation ... the method has been spotted, analysed and now found wanting ... :nono:

:xyxwave: :dance: :devil:

gemmiej 03-12-2010 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3961140)
It is I am afraid sadly inevitable when the threads get taken (again and again) into speculative and 'kinky' (sic) territory with no real foundation other than the weird and quite disgusting thought processes which engender the baseless speculation - and the FMs who read these flights of fancy and are viscerally sickened by them then try to explain why they feel it is so wrong and why they feel that the people spinning these deeply sleazy and unpleasant theories are stepping into dark and despicable areas ... does that give you any kind of understanding of the processes involved ... ?

The thing is that most people feel it is done in the MOST disingenuous manner possible - and would like the baseless smearing and contamination to come to an end ... any chance of that?

Then we might be able to return to the discussion of housemates without the 'attacking or discussing' of other forum members ... most of us would be really relieved if that could happen ... thanking you in anticipation ... the method has been spotted, analysed and now found wanting ... :nono:

:xyxwave: :dance: :devil:
I agree UV. Something needs to be done about this. We can't have a civil discussion anymore. :nono:

Suze 03-12-2010 01:09 PM
Ben is yummy and lovely whatever :dance: :) Mario and his bearing all on BB and nearly well all on twitcam smacks of desperate attention seeking and he makes me want to puke :yuk: I am going to ignore the obvious yet again baiting posts, and hope the mods decide to sort the usual moleholer suspects, although I won't hold my breathe on that, so ignore is the next best option, and just enjoy the other posters contributions to the thread :) and save any suss posts to email or screencaps.

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gemmiej (Post 3961179)
I agree UV. Something needs to be done about this. We can't have a civil discussion anymore. :nono:
And if anyone actually follows through the threads they will see just how - and why - it always happens ...

There is a distinct pattern which has emerged ... and it is usually just one or two FMs who are involved ...

THIS is what takes the debate into the side roads of personal baiting and attack ... and I know that I am far from alone in being heartily sick of it (and also sickened by it ... )

The trouble is that if FMs came up with revolting theories about Mario's sexual fantasies or activities no one would have any trouble believing that and neither he nor his admirers would mind at all ...

How different we all are, eh? :shocked::shocked::shocked: :devil:

Vodka Drinka 03-12-2010 01:18 PM
I see the same old faces have crawled out of the wood work to turn this thread into a slanging match again:rolleyes: I suppose Mario has endorsed this, a bit like how he endorsed my personal details being spread all over DS! I still can't believe the person responsible wasn't banned for that!

lauraC 03-12-2010 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3961140)
It is I am afraid sadly inevitable when the threads get taken (again and again) into speculative and 'kinky' (sic) territory with no real foundation other than the weird and quite disgusting thought processes which engender the baseless speculation - and the FMs who read these flights of fancy and are viscerally sickened by them then try to explain why they feel it is so wrong and why they feel that the people spinning these deeply sleazy and unpleasant theories are stepping into dark and despicable areas ... does that give you any kind of understanding of the processes involved ... ?

The thing is that most people feel it is done in the MOST disingenuous manner possible - and would like the baseless smearing and contamination to come to an end ... any chance of that?

Then we might be able to return to the discussion of housemates without the 'attacking or discussing' of other forum members ... most of us would be really relieved if that could happen ... thanking you in anticipation ... the method has been spotted, analysed and now found wanting ... :nono:

:xyxwave: :dance: :devil:
Amen to that! Mario is not a perv, he and andrew are just mates and if there was anything going on thats ok too, they are both adults, so lets stop the sillyness

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Suze (Post 3961210)
Ben is yummy and lovely whatever :dance: :) Mario and his bearing all on BB and nearly well all on twitcam smacks of desperate attention seeking and he makes me want to puke :yuk: I am going to ignore the obvious yet again baiting posts, and hope the mods decide to sort the usual moleholer suspects, although I won't hold my breathe on that, so ignore is the next best option, and just enjoy the other posters contributions to the thread :) and save any suss posts to email or screencaps.
Suze - you do have a point there ...

Probably the best idea of all is to leave it all to silence ... it shows the contempt with which such 'sleazy scenario spinners' deserve to be treated ...

Pass the sick bag ...

Suze 03-12-2010 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3961245)
And if anyone actually follows through the threads they will see just how - and why - it always happens ...

There is a distinct pattern which has emerged ... and it is usually just one or two FMs who are involved ...

THIS is what takes the debate into the side roads of personal baiting and attack ... and I know that I am far from alone in being heartily sick of it (and also sickened by it ... )

The trouble is that if FMs came up with revolting theories about Mario's sexual fantasies or activities no one would have any trouble believing that and neither he nor his admirers would mind at all ...

How different we all are, eh? :shocked::shocked::shocked: :devil:
This is why I am going to ignore their posts, because they either bait to get threads closed or to try and get some of us Bennites banned, it worked for them on DS after all, so I suppose they think well, why not try it here, for all we know after reading some of Mario's tweets, they could even be under his instructions? So it's best to ignore, and if you see posts that go overboard just send them to email or screencap them and leave it at that. It's not really worth the typing time to do anything else. We know what the lovely Ben is like :) and that's what matters, not what those who loathe him think, as it is just their opinions.

pices 03-12-2010 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3961245)
And if anyone actually follows through the threads they will see just how - and why - it always happens ...

There is a distinct pattern which has emerged ... and it is usually just one or two FMs who are involved ...

THIS is what takes the debate into the side roads of personal baiting and attack ... and I know that I am far from alone in being heartily sick of it (and also sickened by it ... )

The trouble is that if FMs came up with revolting theories about Mario's sexual fantasies or activities no one would have any trouble believing that and neither he nor his admirers would mind at all ...

How different we all are, eh? :shocked::shocked::shocked: :devil:
Quite so UV, the point here is that we talk about the housemates and what they did and said in the house, and outside of it also, mario did strip off, he did thrust his bollox in peoples faces, he did leer at Andrew and drape himself naked over Andrew, he did talk aout wanting to have anal sex with Ben and lots of disgusting genetalia talk and go on about golden showers,..........so we are discussing things that happened and what may be Mario's future bearing in mind his only talent ie getting naked. What the same few Mario supporters are continually doing is making up sleazy stories based upon what they think may be in Bens mind, no evidence to support their theories, just mud raking to try and make Mario's misdemeanours less damaging.
It wont work though, Mario is just acting like he is because of what he is.

Mystic Mock 03-12-2010 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lauraC (Post 3960710)
Is this type of post allowed?
the top part of the post was a joke.

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pices (Post 3961268)
Quite so UV, the point here is that we talk about the housemates and what they did and said in the house, and outside of it also, mario did strip off, he did thrust his bollox in peoples faces, he did leer at Andrew and drape himself naked over Andrew, he did talk aout wanting to have anal sex with Ben and lots of disgusting genetalia talk and go on about golden showers,..........so we are discussing things that happened and what may be Mario's future bearing in mind his only talent ie getting naked. What the same few Mario supporters are continually doing is making up sleazy stories based upon what they think may be in Bens mind, no evidence to support their theories, just mud raking to try and make Mario's misdemeanours less damaging.
It wont work though, Mario is just acting like he is because of what he is.
I am afraid that Mario does seem to be a VERY strange and desperate creature indeed

Attention seeking and vicious in the extreme ... it is so good that Ben does not have to manoeuvre him into his life in any way - he is far too decent and well mannered to actually show him the door and so it is a great relief to all his friends that Mario has written himself out of the story ... phew ...

:xyxwave:

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3961284)
the top part of the post was a joke.
If sickeningly sleazy fantasies are allowed the oxygen of publicity ... but jokes are frowned on ... what a strange world that would turn out to be ... :conf:

kim 03-12-2010 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3961284)
the top part of the post was a joke.
not a very funny joke from where I'm sitting and neither was the "fans should rot" by someone else.

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kim (Post 3961294)
not a very funny joke from where I'm sitting and neither was the "fans should rot" by someone else.
Still very tame in comparison to some others which have been hurled from other directions ... no death threats from this side ... nor will there ever be ... :cat:

Vodka Drinka 03-12-2010 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3961300)
Still very tame in comparison to some others which have been hurled from other directions ... no death threats from this side ... nor will there ever be ... :cat:
Or personal details divulged;)

Mystic Mock 03-12-2010 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3961300)
Still very tame in comparison to some others which have been hurled from other directions ... no death threats from this side ... nor will there ever be ... :cat:
which mario fan sent death threats?:shocked:

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Vodka Drinka (Post 3961305)
Or personal details divulged;)
Indeed ... that incident was both unforgivable and illegal ... though of course in another place ... and nothing so awful has happened here ...

But the security and protocol breach in that other place is being acted upon in a really serious manner I believe ... which is the only way to handle this kind of outrage ...

We might all enjoy the Mario/Ben discussion - but public attack and exposure to danger is not part of the game ... or shouldn't be ...

:conf: :bawling: :nono::nono::nono: :shocked:

gemmiej 03-12-2010 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Vodka Drinka (Post 3961305)
Or personal details divulged;)
I still can't believe that happened. Something should have been about that immediately :nono:

Ultra Violet 03-12-2010 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jesus christ (Post 3961316)
which mario fan sent death threats?:shocked:
If you PM Vodka she might share with you - anyway it was in another place and was in a not very subtle code - which could be easily cracked by anyone reading it ...

The phrase 'I could murder a ... (fill in the rest)' came into it ...

Certainly not the kind of joke that would make me laugh ... ... ... :nono:

Vodka Drinka 03-12-2010 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Violet (Post 3961324)
Indeed ... that incident was both unforgivable and illegal ... though of course in another place ... and nothing so awful has happened here ...

But the security and protocol breach in that other place is being acted upon in a really serious manner I believe ... which is the only way to handle this kind of outrage ...

We might all enjoy the Mario/Ben discussion - but public attack and exposure to danger is not part of the game ... or shouldn't be ...

:conf: :bawling: :nono::nono::nono: :shocked:
Yes, it is being dealt with as we speak

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Originally Posted by gemmiej (Post 3961334)
I still can't believe that happened. Something should have been about that immediately :nono:
I am still waiting for a response from DS,who I think would rather pretend it never happened.


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