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Videostar 23-08-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321618)
His role in that joke is one of agency and power, he is the one riding. Her role is one of submission, she is being ridden like a racehorse. Sex becomes something that is done to her, rather than something in which she is an equal participant.

But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten. :joker:

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:06 AM

Incidentally, I am not slating Dex for making that joke. Sometimes sexist jokes are funny. Not all sexism requires outrage and anger.

I'm just observing that, to my min, that was one of the most, if not the most, sexist comments on that show tonight.

Nor am I saying that Sam was a laugh a minute golden boy. He was very coarse and crude and sexist in the way he assessed all the women according to whether or not he fancied them. But there are degrees of sexism, and to my mind Dexter's joke outstripped Sam's comments in that regard. Though Sam's were coarser and more uncomfortable to listen to.

Videostar 23-08-2013 12:07 AM

Lets just all learn to get on and stop with this hate....lets all make love. :D

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6321661)
But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten. :joker:

Not in that joke. And maybe it would have been better had Dexter made the comment that way since the question he was being asked was whether or not she would hook up with a guy. In response he chose to make it about what the guy was going to do. He placed agency with the man in response to a question about what the woman was going to do.

Vanessa 23-08-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6321661)
But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten. :joker:

:laugh3:

CaudleHalbard 23-08-2013 12:09 AM

The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6321652)
I'm sure the philosophical aspects were the last thing on his mind! :D

I'm guessing the producers encourage then to be a bit 'saucy'.

I agree. I have no problem with what he said in the contextof the BOTS show. But I have no problem with it whilst recognising what the joke is founded upon.

My only problem with this whole thing, is the one sided approach to sexism. It's sexism if it's Sam, but it's not sexism if it's Dexter.

Vanessa 23-08-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6321682)
The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.

Gina must have had a lot on her mind. :(

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6321682)
The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.



None of that changes whether or not what he said was sexist. And again, I agree that Sam was pretty uninspiring and at times even embarrassing tonight. it's just a bit hypocritical to round on him for sexism given what Dexter had said.

Round on him for being like a fish out of water and not entertaining, sure. Round on him for being very very coarse and crude. But if rounding on him for sexism, also round on Dexter.


Personally, I'd suggest not rounding on either of them. I've heard worse than anything either of them said, out here in the real world.

CaudleHalbard 23-08-2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6321689)
Gina must have had a lot on her mind. :(

Perhaps, although the break up with Ecksell may have been initiated by her.

Videostar 23-08-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321697)
None of that changes whether or not what he said was sexist. And again, I agree that Sam was pretty uninspiring and at times even embarrassing tonight. it's just a bit hypocritical to round on him for sexism given what Dexter had said.

Again, I just don't think you can put Dexter's joke in the same league as Sam's remarks, just like when the pair of them were in the house.

Some tried to suggest that Dexter's "rodeo" discussion with other HM's where he was explaining what that sexual practice involved was just as bad (if not worse) than Sam's rather offensive comments to women in there.

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:23 AM

Well, personally, I think a comment that boils down to 'I fancy you' is less offensive than a comment that boils down to 'you'd make a good wife because you're domesticated' which was how Dexter approached wooing the ladies :p


We are never going to agree on this.

Videostar 23-08-2013 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321765)
Well, personally, I think a comment that boils down to 'I fancy you' is less offensive than a comment that boils down to 'you'd make a good wife because you're domesticated' which was how Dexter approached wooing the ladies :p


We are never going to agree on this.

The praise "I fancy you" is fine, as long as it's not in a drunken semi conscious state on the last day of BB on the eve of the final and a last ditch attempt for a storyline. :joker:


Dexter was playing a role for a while in the house, he has admitted that much, so most of what he said in the early days should be discounted.

CaudleHalbard 23-08-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6321826)
The praise "I fancy you" is fine, as long as it's not in a drunken semi conscious state on the last day of BB on the eve of the final and a last ditch attempt for a storyline. :joker:


Dexter was playing a role for a while in the house, he has admitted that much, so most of what he said in the early days should be discounted.

Agree on both issues.

Vanessa 23-08-2013 12:39 AM

Dexter was spot on about Courtney. She's making me laugh so much on live feed! :joker:

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:34 PM

Speidi soon:love:

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:34 PM

Mario thinks it was the three new people in the house's vote, he's good!!!!

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:35 PM

Holly Hagan <33333333

Vanessa 23-08-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 6325182)
Mario thinks it was the three new people in the house's vote, he's good!!!!

He's the new Dan. Always one step ahead. :joker:

Saph 23-08-2013 09:36 PM

not patrick ****ing strudwick [IMG]http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/public/style_emoticons/default/***********[/IMG]

Vanessa 23-08-2013 09:36 PM

Is Holly from Geordie Shores? :suspect:

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:36 PM

BOTS want Courtney up for eviction. SHOCKER!

Drew. 23-08-2013 09:36 PM

safe to say they all dislike Courtney.. grr

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6325187)
Is Holly from Geordie Shores? :suspect:

Yes!

Jordan. 23-08-2013 09:36 PM

WE WANT SPEIDI [img]http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/public/style_emoticons/default/***********[/img]

Saph 23-08-2013 09:37 PM

bots hated speidi as well though remember

Jordan. 23-08-2013 09:37 PM

Terrible panel apart from Holly

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:37 PM

AJ loves Courtney :love::love:

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:37 PM

Holly :worship::worship:

Ammi 23-08-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew. (Post 6325189)
safe to say they all dislike Courtney.. grr

..I really don't know why they fly someone over from USA just to be biased about them..:bored:...

Calderyon 23-08-2013 09:39 PM

Well, well BBBOTS never seems to surprise me... Most of the panelists and crowd against Courtney.

So predictable.

Vanessa 23-08-2013 09:39 PM

Yes, i also picked up the same thing about Vicky. She's not as nice as she appears. :suspect:

Calderyon 23-08-2013 09:39 PM

Well, well BBBOTS never seems to surprise me... Most of the panelists and crowd against Courtney.

So predictable.

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:39 PM

Good god that girl's drawn on eyebrows. D: D: D:

reece(: 23-08-2013 09:40 PM

That essex hairdresser is annoying as ****.

Brother Leon 23-08-2013 09:40 PM

Safe to say I have even less interest in watching Geordie shore with these two girls lol.

Drew. 23-08-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6325199)
..I really don't know why they fly someone over from USA just to be biased about them..:bored:...

thankfully AJ kind of stuck up for her.. the audience are awful though

Amy Jade 23-08-2013 09:41 PM

That fella in the middle needs a punch, hate him...100%

Ammi 23-08-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew. (Post 6325213)
thankfully AJ kind of stuck up for her.. the audience are awful though

..they're fairly much like that with most Americans aren't they..

smudgie 23-08-2013 09:42 PM

Oh gawd, not Holly Hagen, another brain dead slapper..


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