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Kazanne 12-01-2014 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6610320)
What do you like about Jim then? He's well known for his narrow views and insults like 'shirt - lifter'.
Jet,you might hate me for this as others might,but I actually think that is funny,I've heard far worse.

joeysteele 12-01-2014 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6610159)
If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?
Really well said Kazanne :xyxwave:, a good balancing of the issue.

jet 12-01-2014 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6610329)
Jet,you might hate me for this as others might,but I actually think that is funny,I've heard far worse.
'Course I don't hate you :xyxwave:
It isn't the worst, if said in a jokey way to someone who knows you well enough to know you are joking.
Said in a derogatory way on a reality show along with other homophobic actions, its more than enough to get you thrown off the programme.

Kizzy 12-01-2014 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6610314)
Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.
All of this, a great overview there jet.

Ammi 12-01-2014 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6610314)
Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't. There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

..that's exactly how I feel...I would actually like him to talk about his past and the things he has admitted to doing, just to maybe try to get a sense of how he feels about it all now...I just haven't so far seen anything about him that would make me feel differently atm but if I did then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion and have on celebrities in the past ..there is certainly no 'OTT hatred' from me or anyone else that I have seen, I don't hate anyone and certainly not a BB housemate...someone said on BBOTS that you can't be in the house and not eventually be your 'true self'..was it Carol McGiffin..?..so if he isn't being himself then I guess we will see that soon and if he is and he has changed, then that's great for him...

Kazanne 12-01-2014 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6610373)
..that's exactly how I feel...I would actually like him to talk about his past and the things he has admitted to doing, just to maybe try to get a sense of how he feels about it all now...I just haven't so far seen anything about him that would make me feel differently atm but if I did then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion and have on celebrities in the past ..there is certainly no 'OTT hatred' from me or anyone else that I have seen, I don't hate anyone and certainly not a BB housemate...someone said on BBOTS that you can't be in the house and not eventually be your 'true self'..was it Carol McGiffin..?..so if he isn't being himself then I guess we will see that soon and if he is and he has changed, then that's great for him...
He probably would ammi if Linda would let him finish a conversation:hugesmile:

Kizzy 12-01-2014 01:31 PM
Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.

Ammi 12-01-2014 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6610381)
Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.
..I do actually agree with you, Kizzy...the words that are used to describe housemates sometimes are really awful and also inaccurate a lot of the time..and with Jim I think it's also important to keep a perspective in that there are probably only a relatively few people on the forum who are not pro-Jim and only a couple of threads that I have seen as opposed to the many negative threads about other housemates, so there certainly is no OTT hate or anything but for anyone who isn't convinced by him yet..(that he's changed..)..it's for very good reason in that everything has bee self confessed by him and so far as I have seen he hasn't ever seen to show much remorse for any of it...but I guess time will tell in the house...

Kazanne 12-01-2014 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6610381)
Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.
You talking about me again Kizzy you strumpet:devil:

MrWong 12-01-2014 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6610314)
Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.
That's a great post and sums up how I feel about Jim.

starry 12-01-2014 02:07 PM
I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.

Kizzy 12-01-2014 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6610401)
You talking about me again Kizzy you strumpet:devil:
You and whoever else has that cockeyed view... penis eyes :idc:

Z 12-01-2014 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6609593)
So you paraphrase him? you should (if quoting someone) get the exact words right.
:rolleyes: Where were the quotation marks? I was paraphrasing. You're jumping on the wrong person here, I like Jim.

jet 12-01-2014 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by starry (Post 6610474)
I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.
I also take people as I perceive them on the show and rely on their own words and actions off the show and on and my conclusion is, at present, I don't like Jim Davidson.

Ammi 12-01-2014 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by starry (Post 6610474)
I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.
...the reasons I have for not having much respect for Jim are nothing to do with either rumours or gossip as the posts in this thread have stated previously...

jet 12-01-2014 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6610496)
...the reasons I have for not having much respect for Jim are nothing to do with either rumours or gossip as the posts in this thread have stated previously...
Exactly!

Kazanne 12-01-2014 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6610480)
You and whoever else has that cockeyed view... penis eyes :idc:
In your face :hugesmile:

Kizzy 12-01-2014 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6610503)
Is that jims wife? :devil:
Told you he was an abuser....

Northern Monkey 12-01-2014 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by starry (Post 6610474)
I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.
Sorry No!No common sense allowed in here please!:joker:

jet 12-01-2014 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 6610573)
Sorry No!No common sense allowed in here please!:joker:
I see you don't actually read posts but just pick out random ones to be snide about other posters....

Kizzy 12-01-2014 03:11 PM
I agree, people who don't beat their partner or abuse homosexuals should never pass comment on those who admit they do!

Bojangles 12-01-2014 03:48 PM
Come on Jim lad you can win .

jet 12-01-2014 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 6610664)
Come on Jim lad you can win .
Course he can. Look how many on here alone don't mind a bit that he's a male chauvinist pig. (And that's just for starters.)

MTVN 12-01-2014 04:17 PM
Jim is a changed man now, the Lord has saved him

flamingGalah! 12-01-2014 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6607554)
I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that. :hugesmile:
But he IS holding in his anger, despite that nasty, miserable old cow Linda Nolan constantly goading him & trying to make him bite... If he hit Linda or started making racist or homophobic jokes in there, then you would have every right to call him up on his behaviour, but it is wrong to chastise him for mistakes he made in his PAST...

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6610241)
Kazanne, he admitted to wife beating and he offended a gay man on another reality show by calling him a 'shirt - lifter' and with other derogatory remarks. ITV had to apologize for his behaviour. People are NOT just going by what they read in the press.
That is EXACTLY what you are doing! :facepalm:

You said you knew NOTHING about him & found out he had hit his ex wife etc.. by reading a newspaper article online lol... So you are basing ALL of your dislike of him from what you have read...

coolface 12-01-2014 08:03 PM
a brilliant man

Beso 13-01-2014 12:15 PM
He has obviously had his demons which he freely admits and admitted in the house. He should be praised for mending his ways and his charity work and not for some lame hyped up storyline to sell a few rags on a sunday morning.

jet 13-01-2014 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 6613527)
He has obviously had his demons which he freely admits and admitted in the house. He should be praised for mending his ways and his charity work and not for some lame hyped up storyline to sell a few rags on a sunday morning.
How do you know he's mended his ways? As he said he's not being himself in the house, how can you tell?

jet 13-01-2014 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flamingGalah! (Post 6611548)
But he IS holding in his anger, despite that nasty, miserable old cow Linda Nolan constantly goading him & trying to make him bite... If he hit Linda or started making racist or homophobic jokes in there, then you would have every right to call him up on his behaviour, but it is wrong to chastise him for mistakes he made in his PAST...



That is EXACTLY what you are doing! :facepalm:

You said you knew NOTHING about him & found out he had hit his ex wife etc.. by reading a newspaper article online lol... So you are basing ALL of your dislike of him from what you have read...
He admitted to wife beating...and I'm not basing ALL my dislike of him on what I have read, but how he is in the house mostly. I've explained why I dislike him many times in this thread, I'm not wasting my time going into it all again.

Beso 13-01-2014 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6613540)
How do you know he's mended his ways? As he said he's not being himself in the house, how can you tell?
probably the lack of stories being sold about him to the papers.

jet 13-01-2014 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 6613547)
probably the lack of stories being sold about him to the papers.
Lack of interest in Jim Davidson and his washed up career more likely, which is why he's in the CBB house.

Patricia4 13-01-2014 01:19 PM
He's the best in the house the only one that has balls.

Josy 13-01-2014 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6613556)
Lack of interest in Jim Davidson and his washed up career more likely, which is why he's in the CBB house.
Well he's getting plenty of interest now eh, all this interest and his fee so it's a win win for him.

jet 13-01-2014 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6613629)
Well he's getting plenty of interest now eh, all this interest and his fee so it's a win win for him.
Like it is for them all. It's more important for him though cos chances are running out for 90 year old grumpy old farts. :hugesmile:

Kazanne 13-01-2014 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6613540)
How do you know he's mended his ways? As he said he's not being himself in the house, how can you tell?
And how do you know Jet he hasn't?

jet 13-01-2014 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6613709)
And how do you know Jet he hasn't?
Well, he said if he was being himself he'd get thrown out of the house. Doesn't that tell you something?
I'd rather see Jim being real in there and then decide whether I like him or not.
As it is, all we are seeing is a self - confessed fake who is holding himself back and being boring and grumpy.

Kazanne 13-01-2014 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jet (Post 6613734)
Well, he said if he was being himself he'd get thrown out of the house. Doesn't that tell you something?
I'd rather see Jim being real in there and then decide whether I like him or not.
As it is, all we are seeing is a self - confessed fake who is holding himself back and being boring and grumpy.
Jet,do you really think he meant that? really? I think he was just trying to make Luisa feel better about her strop,why are some people so desperate to see him lose his temper? Everyone snaps if they are goaded enough and I do know it would be the catalyst for all the " I told you so's"

Patricia4 13-01-2014 02:36 PM
I know that NOW in the house he's great to watch I find him funny, stuff he's done in the past I don't give a toss all them in there will have done something they shouldn't of at some time.

Kizzy 13-01-2014 02:39 PM
C5 set him up, they're hoping he loses it like he did on hells kitchen. You can see something simmering away now, can he contain it? We'll see....

smudgie 13-01-2014 02:41 PM
He still as the habit of walking away I see.
The way he walked away from doing a show because people in wheelchairs were in the front row.
Like walking away from a show because he thought there were far too many young kids with no class and of colour in the town.
He was a nasty piece of work on Hell's Kitchen, nothing funny about him.

Hats off to him for entertaining the troops...his captive audience.


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