Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6634297)

Pfft, that wasn't tea in that cup.. he has booze stashed all over.
He looks puffy and clammy because he's an alcoholic.
He was shuffling and she made a joke, getting all huffy was just silly. Take thebadvice you give linda every night and 'go to bed!'

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6634436)

I don't think you understood my point, because if they said 'okay Jim we'll got to another room', then that wouldn't piss him off...and my point was that why would you want them to stop doing stuff that's going to piss one another off? That's exactly what we want. Sure, I wouldn't want to live amongst it but I'm not, just watching it

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6634440)

Can't we all just agree that jim is an asshole?

Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6634445)

Well I guess if you don't like Jim (or the HM that was being kept awake) then you would have that opinion...but to be fair to me, I've defended HM's in the past that I seriously disliked for just this same reason.

We all want arguments but not at the expense of someones basic human rights.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6634399)

It sounds like you've surrendered to sexual abuse. not all women have surrendered to it. I'm sorry for your abuse.

But you are actually supporting my point, because you said none of the men that molested you have been convicted in a court, therefore, sexual assault victimizers are walking free but they are considered "innocent".

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6634449)

Not at all, I've had favourites in the past I'm sure that were kept awake and if I did now I would hold the same opinions - I want all housemates to act like twats and piss each other off, that makes the best TV. No way in hell do I want them to be considerate, that gives us nothing to talk about whatsoever

That's a little bit exaggerative, it's a few weeks in a house, I'm sure he can catch up when he gets out (like I said I agree they're being out of order but I want them to continue and I don't see why anyone else apart from Jim himself would disagree - I want him to go batsh*t at them at some point :dance:)

Also I actually like Jim so it's not cause I don't like him

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6634304)

I agree, but it's probably easier said than done in that place and under these circumstances. He was probably missing Lionel too, because he and Lionel would often sit and chat together in the evenings.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6634452)

I am not supporting your point. I stated that it is not fair to speculate about what might or might not have happened in a case when sexual assault charges have been dropped. There are grey areas and many, many men can cross over an invisible line inadvertently, or because they are chancing their arm.

Obviously, however, I have been subjected to some clear-cut instances of abuse, and I do appreciate your sympathy.

Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6634460)

Luisa doesn't like being told what to do either...I've noticed. ;)

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6634462)

I don't think the line is as blurry as you are making it out to be., I think the vast majority of men know exactly where that line is, and hence the vast majority of men have not sexually abused anyone. I don't think you are right about how hazy the lines are. The lines are clear to most decent men.

I think men that molest women know exactly what they are doing, and they also rely on people like you to excuse them. Th3y know they can get away with it, because they know that most women will be too confused/ashamed to report it.

I don't think it's fair for you to assume that most men don't know what sexual abuse is.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6634465)

This thread is about jim not luisa though, you could make one about luisa?

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6634467)

I don't know if it's just men, to be fair. A woman friend got into my bed when I was sick once, then grabbed my hand and put it on her breast once, even though she knew very well I am straight. She'd been drinking and I think she thought that everyone has the potential to be "bi", so she had a shot. She's a university lecturer in social work. Do I want to ruin her career because of that? Nope.

Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6634429)

I don't want them to stop what they are doing, im saying they have a whole BIG house to do it in, why the bedroom?

Originally Posted by jet (Post 6634475)

They were having fun and making noise singing the Lionel song in the garden when Jim first got up. The house is a small space really.

Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6634469)

Nah, I really couldn't be asked. :nono:

Of course that hasn't stopped people bringing Jim into the conversation on threads that weren't about him.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6634470)

did you feel violated? The situation you describe, it does;'t sound like you feel violated or intimidated in anyway. It sounds like you never felt afraid or scared.

I think that's a difference, because there is such a power imbalance between men and women.

Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6634469)

Nah, I really couldn't be asked. :nono:

Of course that hasn't stopped people bringing Jim into the conversation on threads that weren't about him.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 6634790)

I am more with you, this thread is about Jim but in the main him moaning at not being able to get sleep, the main instigator of the noise was Luisa, Dappy had already cooled his noise down by then.
So she is a very valid target on this thread in my opinion since if she wasn't making the ridiculous noise all the time, Jim would not have been complaining.

Also, earlier in this thread someone said, why doesn't Jim have a lie in if he is tired, they cannot lie in, BB gets them up every morning at whatever time BB dictates.
They don't have an option to lie in.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6634279)

Some people seem to have been watching a different show from me. Jim didn't ask or expect everyone to be quiet. He was sitting minding his own business with a cuppa when Dappy came out and commented on him sitting out there, so he explained he wanted peace and he didn't want Dappy to say anything, because he/it was alright. He was obviously knackered and ashen-faced and he's maybe not at his best late at night. Fair dos.

With the best of intentions, Dappy took it upon himself to go and say to people that Jim wanted to go to bed. What's the problem with that? Wee small hours.. Jim's tired .. they all share a room ... But Linda immediately launches into her favourite mode of being vile about Jim in a loud voice so he'd hear, and the cut meant that we didn't hear what else was said, but no doubt he'd have heard more, because Luisa has a voice like a foghorn and is never slow to voice her opinions. How is any of that Jim's fault? Yeah, he was really grumpy thereafter, but so what - I don't blame him: I cannot stand the nasty atmosphere that Linda creates with her bitching, and Luisa is Linda's staunchest ally and sidekick now, so he wouldn't necessarily have seen the humour in her calling him "The Grim Reaper".

I'm not a Jim fan: I've never seen his show, and I'd probably hate it if I did, but he is getting a raw deal from some of the people in that house, and I don't think it's deserved.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6634812)

..tbh..(because I do try to look at things objectively ..)..although I do think that people know before going into BB that they probably won't get much sleep and should be prepared for that because I don't think it's fair to expect those who don't want to sleep to curb their experience either...I do also think that older people who might need more sleep are on to a lose/lose really because if like Jim, they go off somewhere quiet or get grumpy or whatever then people are going to say that it's their own fault for going in but then if they join all the late night stuff like Denise Welch did, then people say ughhhh, they're embarrassing the way they think that they're 'down with the kids..'/why don't they act their age....I think that whatever they do, the media likes to paint a quite negative ageist slant to it...

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6634846)

When jim vindictively banged the cups and for some reason sprayed deodorant :crazy: it was before the alarms, not tired then was he?

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6634839)

Old people are like children. they get sleep when we tell them to go to sleep. I think old people are too uppity these days. they should be more submissive.

Old people have become much more disruptive and unruly, and something needs to be done to discipline them.

I blame Cameron and the conservative government.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6634843)

In fairness to Jim he didn't complain, he removed himself from the garden and the bedroom, Dappy did the complaining for him :joker: and I agree with your point about Denise, the outrage over her getting down with the kids and now the outrage over Jim not is just too much, (though from her BOTs appearance a few nights back I think she is embarrassed about it now and wishes it would go away).

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6634867)

..yeah, I did say if the reaction was to either go off to somewhere quiet or be grumpy..(read my posts/joking..:laugh:...)..but yeah, I do think that whatever the reaction/if they're down with the kids like Denise, the media will paint it as negatively and then that obviously gives us loads to 'discuss'...LOL...

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6634868)

Oh sorry Ammi missed that bit, loads to discuss this year for sure!

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6634846)

When jim vindictively banged the cups and for some reason sprayed deodorant :crazy: it was before the alarms, not tired then was he?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6634853)

That was brilliant, a bit of tit for tat, I don't think there are any alarms this year not heard one yet or nothing mentioned on the twitter feed, BB going easy on them :nono: