If the public wanted to evict Josie they would have voted to evict her. They didn't get the chance. The producers like her and want her to win.

They didn't get the chance because the housemates didn't nominate her. The housemates then decided to give Josie a pass to the final giving her immunity from the quadruple eviction.

The producers thought "Oh, we like that Josie let's use mind control to stop her being nominated and give her a pass to the final".

:joker: I'm convinced.

People seem to think the producers actually give a damn about who wins. They don't.

Someone knew who'd be gone before the punishment was even announced.

Not sure if they saw that coming.


They probably wanted Steve to get the pass (he nearly did). I reckon it was one big f u to the fans of the show and they wanted the 4 biggest characters out Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin out in the penultimate week. It was the last ever series, what did they care.

Again, they could have had a vote to save with them all. They choose NOT to knowing what the result would be, the biggest names going out in one night.

It's a twist that we already know is going one way before it's even happened... If we all know that then they knew that when they decided to go with it.

Except we don't. Only you are saying you know.

You've even said that if the twist doesn't go the way you expect it to you'll still see it as a ploy to get Ashleigh out.

In other words.... no matter what they do it's a ploy to get her out in your eyes. :laugh:

Even if she wins you'll be like "The producers tried so hard to have her evicted and she won!!!" :joker:

The entire series was vote to evict, why would they suddenly change it? That would be tampering.

I also find it funny that on this last page I've gone from being told how naive I am to not know Josie was a producer favourite and they manipulated things for her to win.

And now I'm told they wanted her and three other "big characters" out before the final as a "**** You!" to the show. You know, the show they work on? :joker:

The conspiracy theories aren't even consistent.

Did it in BB10 and saved Lisa.

Yeah, I know some people think the show was handed to Josie on a platter, and it obivously was when they decided to do the eviction. But it wouldn't surprise me if they had it in their minds that Steve, as a war hero and all that, should get the free pass to the final. It was only because of the closeness of certain people to Josie that it didn't go that way. Had it been Steve and they then done the quad eviction, Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin, the top 4 favourites would have probably been out.

Well, I can't help what other people think happened. It's just clear that they make the decisions thinking through the possible consequences. Why wouldn't they do that?

If you were to guess, knowing full well that Ashleigh is asking to be evicted who they will then evict... Who do you suspect would go?

Look, it's possible Danielle is the one they'll go after. All I've said is that there are certain people who are much more likely to go than others and Ashleigh is way up there. And they would have known that when they decided to give the new HMs that sort of power.

NO.

I don't know because we've seen what?..... 30 seconds?..... of the people making the decision. You're presuming Ashleigh is going to continue talking about wanting to leave. You're also presuming they're going to pay any attention to that.

Of course some housemates are more likely to go than others, that's the case whether there's a twist or normal eviction process. That's natural.

It just so happens that, twist or no twist, Ashleigh is likely to go. Just like Marlon.

All in all, you think something no matter the evidence to the contrary and no matter whether it actually takes place or not. We've reached an impasse. Thanks for the discussion Yaki da.

It makes their decision alot easier. Doesn't it?



Yes, and they choose which twists to do and which ones not to do depending on what they know will be the most likely outcomes.

If there was no twist, how would Ashleigh be most likely to go? She survived against someone as inoffensive as Jale.

You haven't offered any evidence to the contrary. All you're asking me is to be a mindreader and tell you why they make the decisions they do, to which I can only offer suggestions.

But that they make decisions with certain outcomes in mind when they're making a long running television series is bloody obvious.

Ashleigh will never be evicted due to the public vote, and has a strong chance of winning, just as much as Mark or Winston. So they have Monday and Friday's evictions where the public aren't involved and Ashleigh is clearly in the line of fire.

It isn't difficult to see why some people would consider this Big Brother's way of evicting somebody they don't want in it who they can't get evicted normally.

Yes, but these people have convinced themselves that the producers don't do that sort of thing. I thought it was interesting that I got no reply to the point about them changing to a vote to save when Lisa was up for eviction along with everyone else (resulting in Hira going) during BB10.

They also changed it to a vote to save when Pete was paired up with Richard and they no doubt worried a vote to evict may lead to a strange result.

:conf: I don't need to offer evidence. You are the one claiming something untoward is happening therefore it's down to you to prove that.

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

What does? You assuming Ashleigh is going to offer herself as a sacrifice? Ok then.

Speculating that Mark or Winston could win is also pure presumption with no basis in fact, saying anybody has a chance of winning is.

Asking me to mind read again. I didn't say they definitely wanted her out but that there are certain people they are obviously happy to go out and she is up there. They would not have given the newbies the power to do this if they were not happy with that. They've even already said that Ashleigh has told them she wants to leave. Everyone watching who is paying attention knew that would happen

Oh FFS how can you say that a person who is leading every popularity poll (polls that have always correctly predicted winners or at least the top 3) by the distance she is is not in with a good shot of winning. The polls have always been a good indicator of support. Tellymix in particular correctly identified the popularity of Aaron, Luke A and Sam in the latter stages. Their poll is currently being topped by Ashleigh, just as she is topping every other poll.

She's already told them she wants to leave. She is now the easy option for them.

But I'm naive for not agreeing with you. :think: Now you're not sure. Hmmmm.

Really? You only claimed this AFTER it was said and began claiming you "knew it would happen". Mind reading indeed.

Are you ok?

Saying Mark has more of a chance of winning than Steven is an obvious truth. It's supported by his support as can be seen in online polls.

Ashleigh however is polling almost double Mark's figures in every one of those polls. And Chris is second to her.

I'd make Chris the favourite to win right now just because Ashleigh is walking through a minefield.

I'm sure they're happy with her being a very likely candidate, as she obviously will be. Which we all knew. Especially the producers.



I'm fine. You seem to be wanting to go round in the same circle again trying to deny that the producers choose to do certain twists with a particular outcome or outcomes in mind, which is indeed very naive.

I haven't denied anything. I'm here to discuss actual incidents. You seem to think the producers do things....... because they can.

They wanted Nikki out..... for the hell of it.
They wanted Josie to win...... just because.
They want Ashleigh out....... because they can.

I already called an end to the discussion, you're taking it in circles. I'll leave you to it. Or maybe the mods might lock the thread....... because they can. Or block one of us from the discussion....... for the hell of it. After all, who needs actual reason to make all the effort to do the things they do? :pipe:

Why put her in that position if they didn't want her out? It was obvious she would be gone the moment she was in that position. They could have punished the whole house including Jayne, but no, they chose a specific punishment which was highly likely to lead to Nikki's eviction. Nikki was probably not going out that week in any other scenario than the one they chose to put her in.




I didn't say that. I actually suspect they were expecting Steve, the war hero, to get given the final pass and then from there were going to have a quad eviction to see off Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin as one mega F U to the fans of the show. By the time UBB started, people would have moved on and it was supposed to be the last series anyway, so what did it matter?

I remember Phil Edgar-Jones posting on DS that year. He got absolutely fed up with the posters on a couple of occasions.

Again, you need to try to explain why they make the decisions they do which are most likely to lead to the things they do. You seem to think they just do it without any thought of what is going to happen, which is obviously wrong. They do it, thinking through the possibilities... Ashleigh is the very easy option for them to vote out and they knew this when they gave them the power to evict someone.

Why? Again, I'm no mindreader. But it is interesting to note that this has all followed a fansite/twitter campaign to keep Ashleigh in by evicting Jale. What they did with Marlon was a first for Big Brother in this country. Giving the actual HMs the power to evict someone, and having inspired a petition against this, they're now going to do it again. It seems like another way of saying F U


You came back.

No need to lock this thread. There are people who agree with me on this and believe some of you are just being ridiculous in acting like the decisions they make aren't made with a certain purpose. And when the most obvious people go, as Marlon did, as the girl who is asking to be evicted probably will, it really ought to be clear that they are coming up with these twists with certain obvious goals.

If Ashleigh goes for saying she wants to go then she is to blame :shrug:

Nope. By putting people in the position they are in, knowing there was a HM who was saying she wanted to leave, they set it up for her to be very likely the next one out.

The lack of live coverage and now the suspension of the viewers being involved in the eviction process is for one obvious reason... Further manipulation.

Of course they did. :pat: They plotted to evict Nikki..... for what reason?

:joker: An FU to the fans? Why? What had they done? Reason?

Yeah, I know he did. Anyone would when you have so much abuse thrown at you by that forum.

I don't need to explain anything. I don't seem to think anything about the twists.

You have created a thread making outlandish claims of manipulation by the producers who are obsessed with having housemates evicted....... for no reason whatsoever. Not monetary gain, not a rise in viewing figures, just..... because.

It's also interesting to note that Armageddon was planned for this week for at least 3 weeks without knowing who would be evicted before then.

Don't bother responding until you have something of substance to say. "Just because" no longer cuts it.

I wasn't being literal my dear. I was following your point of people in "power" doing things for the hell of it for no discernible reason whatsoever.

There's no reason to lock the thread, but there's also no reason to purposely see Nikki or Ashleigh evicted..... but they just do it, right? :wink:

Because high on their agenda is annoying Yaki da..... because they can.

Yeah I disagree with that like I have posted many many times in this thread with my reasons and point as to why and you failing to have any valid reason for the assumptions means it's pointless having a debate about it.

Great discussion but I'm done.

They always have an agenda. Sometimes the result annoys me, sometimes it doesn't. At this point I'm almost past caring. But I always recognise it. Almost every twist they come up with is done with a purpose (would they have ever allowed Gos to be sent to Africa?) - to achieve a certain goal. The question you have to ask when they do these twists is what is the most obvious thing that is going to happen, and there will be the agenda.

Why? No one could ever answer that question unless they are privy to the conversations they have.

Up to you. But I'd love to know why you think they've suddenly decided to get rid of (or at least suspend) the public having a say in evictions. Do you think it's just a coincidence that it followed the Save Ashleigh/Evict Jale campaign? Do you think it's just a coincidence that after a petition with over a thousand signatures in the space of 48 hours telling them not to take the viewers vote away from the eviction process, they've now done it twice in the space of a week?

And again... I have no idea why people would deny that Marlon was penciled in for eviction. It's perfectly obvious that he was.

:joker:

a travesty

I'd love it if Ashleigh stayed but it appears the newbies have it in for her, and she'll be going.

It's a shame the newbies don't have balls. If they did they'd evict Steven. But the cowards won't do that because they know the majority of the house want Ashleigh out.

So, are the two girls saying Ashleigh is the easiest option now? You'd think it was set up for that to happen. :shocked:

Anyway, just for the record of where she stood in the popularity polls...

TIBB

BB2014: Who is your favourite housemate? [Marlon Evicted]
Ashleigh 34.2%
Chris 17.8%
Mark 8.6%
Christopher 6.9%
Helen 6.3%
Zoe 4.7%
Ash 4.4%
Danielle 4.1%
Winston 4.0%
Biannca 3.7%
Kimberly 3.1%
Pavandeep 1.6%
Steven 0.4%

Total votes: 1183
You have already voted!

BB Spy

Week 6 Part 2: Who's your favourite housemate?

ASHLEIGH
31.0%

CHRIS
14.1%

HELEN
9.9%

MARK
8.9%

ASH
7.8%

ZOE
6.3%

CHRISTOPHER
6.0%

WINSTON
5.7%

BIANNCA
3.9%

DANIELLE
3.6%

KIMBERLY
1.3%

PAVANDEEP
1.1%

STEVEN
0.4%
Total Votes: 1237


Tellymix

Big Brother 2014: Who's your favourite? Week 6

Ashleigh Coyle (28%, 1,381 Votes)
Chris R Wright (23%, 1,128 Votes)
Mark Byron (16%, 781 Votes)
Winston Showan (8%, 416 Votes)
Helen Wood (6%, 289 Votes)
Christopher Hall (5%, 254 Votes)
Ash Harrison (5%, 253 Votes)
Danielle McMahon (3%, 150 Votes)
Kimberly Kisselovich (2%, 103 Votes)
Marlon Wallen (2%, 92 Votes)
Steven Goode (2%, 49 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,896

What a "twist" (fix) this is

They want Ashleigh out because they don't want her to win. There is a danger she could win because of her popularity.

there is more of her to come - she needs to stay.

She won't be evicted, there's bigger targets they are getting out now like Kimberly & Steven