Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627674)

Not if he's breaking the law......

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7627760)

You keep saying it's against the law but to be honest the law is unenforceable because as this story proves , we have choice and our choices may be based on prejudices or even illegal prejudices but they are our choices none the less.

So this printer has the choice to decide who he gives this work to, and he can base that decision on any reasoning or set of wierd prejudices he sees fit, it is entirely up to him. He is giving out this work therefore he gets to decide.

Simple as that....... End of debate

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627771)

but it is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation. I posted the wording of the law a few posts back :shrug:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7627799)

Oh my God...... I know I agree the law is there and it is trying to stop assholes like this man discriminating in this case on the grounds of sexual orientation. But as I said it is unenforceable as this mans reasons for giving out this work are based on his own personal reasoning however warped that may be.

As this man stated his reasons for not giving out this work then for this reason the law may be able to be applied and this Printer may be shown the red card.

Ps - Niamh why are you still working , must be a very long day for you :wavey:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627674)

Not if he's breaking the law......

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7628093)

its not and if these easily offended idiots want to take it to court theyd get laughed out of court

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7628093)

its not and if these easily offended idiots want to take it to court theyd get laughed out of court

Originally Posted by Tom! (Post 7628132)

yeah about that
im sure hate crime/discrimination isnt laughed out of court :umm2:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7626900)

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 7627778)

I don't see the problem with the printers refusal. He wasn't rude about it, it's his beliefs, even if they are not mine or others. It's his business at the end of the day and if he wants to lose business by being like that then hey, that is his loss. I don't see why this is a news story to be quite honest.

Originally Posted by empire (Post 7628088)

the thing is, the church is part of irish culture, and its been like that for a long time,

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7628346)

Exactly :clap1: Christians should have atleast the same rights as muslims.But this couple would'nt have gone to a muslim printers because they know the answer they'd get and they'd probably accept it easier because they're muslim.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7628405)

* really want's to post the 'down with this sorta ting' gif *

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7628408)

I don't think there are very many Muslim printers over here tbqh, I work in a business that deal with alot of printers around the country for the last 15 years and so far I haven't come across one :shrug:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7628419)

But let's say hypothetically that there was. And there will be at some point.... would it be wrong for him to refuse to print wedding invitations for a gay couple based on his strong religious beliefs, even though he'd served them with other things previously?

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7628410)

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7628423)

* reports Niamh for posting gifs in SD *

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7628421)

Of course it would. Why would I make an exception for Muslims?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7628427)

Because there'd be a outcry! Lots of middle-class white people would be incensed you'd expected a Muslin to go against his beliefs!

Morning Niamh, by the way...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7628431)

Morning :love:

I know you're right of course, there would probably alot of people defending Muslims that condemn Christians for the same thing, of course you'd also have the other extreme of people taking a harder pop because they're Muslims as well. For me personally, I would feel the same no matter what religion it was, discrimination is discrimination :shrug:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7628434)

I've played Devil's Advocate for much of this thread... of course if you're offering a service you have to be willing to offer a full service to everyone. When I lived in London I had a corner shop run by a Muslim who sold alcohol and ham...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7628444)

Well there you go lol, it just seems that it's always the gay agenda that some religions seem to take the most strong "stand" against

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7628454)

I suppose gays are the new kids on the block when it comes to rights. In the future it'll be unthinkable that anyone could be discriminated against for falling in love and wanting to marry.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7626737)

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code and list prohibited forms of intercourse, contain the following verses:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."


Paul the Apostle wrote in the First Epistle to the Corinthians,


“ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."


So the printers are correct as Bible believing Christians to abhor homosexuality as it says so it their instruction manual

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7628491)

no they are not correct, the quotes you gave said that men shall not lie with a man as he does with a woman. gay men don't lie with women at all, so they don't lie with men as they do with women.

The bible is only against bisexuality, not homosexuality. and it says nothing about lesbianism.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7628503)

it depends on what translation you use

God is not keen on cross dressers also

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7628503)

it depends on what translation you use

God is not keen on cross dressers also

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7628506)

You're sure that's God and not Trinny and Susannah?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7628506)

You're sure that's God and not Trinny and Susannah?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7628434)

I've played Devil's Advocate for much of this thread... of course if you're offering a service you have to be willing to offer a full service to everyone. When I lived in London I had a corner shop run by a Muslim who sold alcohol and ham...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7628402)

The same kind of thing happened in England, this sort of thing doesn't happen regularly over here I can assure you

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7628556)

Isn't that the point these guys can go a mole down the road and get the job done, so what is all the fuss about

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7628558)

It's discrimination and shouldn't happen, that's what it about :shrug: