i vote for the Krankies women, made up as a Chinese woman to play the next Bond or Dr. Who

im still in shock that the snobs in the movie business let a scot a Welshman, an aussie and an Irishman play bond

The whole point of it is that Hermione being white isn't an intrinsic part of her character. There are references in the books to her being white but they never established her race as an important part of her character meaning that, appearance wise, any race could play her as long as they could match the specified traits of her appearance (Bushy hair and such).

When it comes to James Bond, the films have rarely done 1:1 adaptations of the books, most of the older films borrowed the name and plot points of books but it's only really Casino Royale that stuck really close to the source material. At this point it's fair to say that the James Bond of the books and the James Bond on screen are two different entities. The James Bond of the films is an amalgam rather than one consistent character, the interpretation of the character changes with the actor and the film version being white isn't important at all to the character. James Bond needs to be a man and he needs some sort of UK accent, those are really the only two important elements when it comes to the basics of the character's appearance.

If they ever do a reboot where they stick to the books more religiously, a consistent depiction Bond's race, appearance and personality would probably be important but when it comes to the films it's up to interpretation.

What next??? they will be demanding the next James Bond must be a chinese midget.

So the next time they make another mohammed ali film i expect Tom Hardy to get that role because that would be the right thing to do. It works both ways.

:laugh:

I meant the character itself is race neutral. It makes no actual difference to the character, book, story, movie etc if she were black, white, mixed or green.

Whereas, changing the skin colour of a character whose race is relevant would be changing things.

I think that's kind of the point.

She doesn't need to "ensure" she was played by either colour. It was open for any actors. As long as they were English which was relevant.

Black people flush red too? :fist: As do mixed race. :hmph:

Now this would be a relevant and kosher argument for being specific about the skin colour of an actor.

In Hermione's case, there is no such specifics. It makes no odds to the character/story what colour she is.

The theatre has colour blind casting literally ALL the time. :laugh:

The same character is often played by both white and black actors sharing the role on a tour etc.

It's a different art form to a movie. Just as the movies for HP were largely different to the books. Different mediums.

I think the point Rowling made was that it didn't need to be made "clear" whether she was black and white anyway because it really doesn't matter.

I don't think the "pictures in their heads" whilst reading the books is at all relevant. 90% of the Harry Potter books I imagined whilst reading them didn't match up to what the film visualised. They're different mediums.

There are hundreds of various book covers that depict Harry Potter as a vastly different looking character, all of which look nothing like Daniel Radcliffe, or the guy about to play him in the theatre show. I don't think skin colour is any different to that to be honest.

If he was a good enough actor and the part was well written I would have no problem with it.

So are you saying Idris isn't Bond simply due to his ethnicity? The quality of his acting doesn't matter, his experience doesn't matter, he's wrong due simply to his ethnicity? Even though all the novels have been adapted and the films being produced are brand new stories, we still cant veer far from the novels description of Bond? I hope the Broccoli family say 'stuff that' and give the job to the best actor available.

I think that's spot on. Most films with black leads tends to be when the role NEEDS a black lead because of the subject matter of the movie or it being based on real people.

But the pure fiction where they could write about anyone tends to cast white actors.

Exactly :clap1:

Did you tell him he was unsuitable to play Bond I would have loved to hear his response?

The next movie version of snow white will have seven seven foot dwarfs.

What else happens in Bond films other than fight and love scenes and some bloke stalking around looking all suave drinking martinis..What's so 'white' about that?

Because the non white people are the villains. God Kizzy. :idc:

I never knew Mohammed Ali was a fictional character.

Speaks volumes that the first black character you could think of was based on a real person.

How many fictional black characters were the lead in movies?

"They" aren't demanding anything of the sort.

I'm not bothered who plays the lead role in any movie. As long as the movie entertains me thats all that matters. If people object to any movie because it doesn't reach a certain quota of different races then simply don't pay to watch it.

I'm already employing this philosophy...

this is exactly why I pirate everything :smug:

snap :thumbs::wavey:

You've just shown that you don't understand this thread at all. It's not about reaching 'quotas' it's about the fact that non-white actors are constantly marginalised in Hollywood and the Oscar noms are proof of this.

It's not about reaching a quota within individual movies.

It's about giving non-white actors a chance to star in movies in a business that is whitewashed.

But, apologies, I didn't realise we were discussing what you're bothered about and not about the problems within a global movie industry. :idc:

Starwars the force awakens has a leading actor which goes directly against what you are saying.

So Star Wars has a leading man who is black and all is right with the world? :unsure:

Do you realise how many movies are made a year?

Look at the fuss that caused.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015...ns-john-boyega

Well done to the Star wars franchise for their stance. :clap1:

No Marsh i am not saying it makes it all right at all. I am saying the whole argument is ridiculous because movies are made to make money for the makers and their backers and it is their choice to decide who gets whatever part in their movie. If people don't like their choice then don't pay to watch the movie.

Great, name me a few hundred more so we can BEGIN the discussion on how the scales have been balanced.

One film means jack ****.

Yes and many people choose to not pay for the movies for a variety of reasons.

It's not really addressing the issue now is it?

So you are saying that movies MUST address every race in order for it to be acceptable. I don't accept that point of view at all.

Well no that's not how it works, dear.

Films need to make money, in order to make money you have to sell tickets, in order to sell tickets you need to appeal to the audience. The fact that this story has gotten so much traction and has become so big is because the audience is sick of the Hollywood norm.

Studios don't just make a bunch of uninformed decisions and tell their audiences to like it or lump it, when making a film they'll do market research and they'll conduct test screenings and focus groups to make sure that the film appeals to the right audience. If you want to make money you have to listen to the wants of the audience.

...yeah but the point is though Johnny/Spike Lee's point that is ...is that no black movie executives etc are in on any of those decisions in the first place with the backers and casting producers etc...that it's easier for a black person to become the President of the USA than it is to get into the room where all of the choices are made....and if it wasn't like that, if black movie executives were allowed into those discussions, well then the casting...(and equally making as much money..)...would be quite different but bringing equal box office success for a movie...

That's it. The behind the scenes needs changes.

I remember some actress saying the stuffy old white men are dying off and the younger generation are changing things. :laugh:

Once we have a more varied group of people making movies/stories then we'll see more than the same formulaic crap being pumped out. The ethnicity of the actors cast is the tip of the iceberg really. The whole industry is in a rut.

The movie industry does have the appearance similar to that of an exclusive Gentlemen's club - no riff raff allowed. If it were a more inclusive industry, this discussion just wouldn't be needed.

Not at all, once again your lack of understanding is apparent.

You mentioned Star Wars and and said that it 'goes directly against what we are saying..'

I'm saying that one film doesn't mean **** and it doesn't fix any of the problems that Hollywood has. I'm not saying there should be a quota (second time I'm saying this...). Just that actors of different ethnicities should be held in the same regard as white actors because they aren't at the moment.

Hi Ammi, Spike lee would have a point if he had said ALL other races and not just one race but he didn't say that did he. Do all the other races not matter? Where is their representation? It's the movie business and to me the key word here is....business.

Those making the movie can choose whoever they want to put in their movie. Makes no difference to me what race they are. If the movie is sh-it with an all white/black/chinese/french/italian cast then it's still a sh-it movie whoever gets the role.

I might be being a bit thick here,but why does colour even matter with everything,why does everything have to be monitored to make sure everything is equal, I have NEVER gone to a movie with the colour of the actors in mind,just want to see a good movie, I don't care if they are sky blue with spots on as long as my money is spent well,it's like when someone wins something so you have to have one,God forbid someone misses out,and while I'm at it,are the MOBO awards ever boycotted?

Thanks for mentioning the MOBO's Kaz because if we are to be correct within this industry of film and music then all other races should now be selected for a MOBO.