Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8762212)

I already have a job I'm afraid Arista

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 8761984)

But but but I thought Brexiters weren't racist?:laugh:

"Leave vote it's not about trade and other business it's about immigration simple as that! It's to stop the Muslims..."
http://i.imgur.com/RriDd0U.jpg
Movement is alright just not from brown people :laugh:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8762338)

Erm..leaving the EU will have no effect on any immigrants from Africa and such anyway? Another who doesn't seem to know what he was voting for...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8762167)

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8762340)

"The movement of people from Europe, fair enough" .....isn't that exactly who is going to be affected by it?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8762196)

So you open your denial that you / others are xenophobic by directly commenting on my nationality and inferring certain things about what that means.

Slow. Clap

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8761247)

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:

a) The British Government does not KNOW how many LEGAL IMMIGRANTS' are in the UK.

b) The British Government does not know how many ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are in the UK

c) The UK Border Agency make very little difference to the numbers of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, and have even less of an impact in ensuring that those they do catch are removed or 'secured', because - under the absurd EU laws - the greater percentage of detected illegal immigrants are simply placed in open accomodation in London (paid for by the UK taxpayer) and simply told 'not to abscond'.

It is NOT the Immigrants to blame - it is the Government and the system.

Out of the EU, we can and will, repeal all the inane EU laws which have rendered it nigh impossible for us to control immigration, and unfettered immigration will be reduced and more thorough policing of our ports and airports will be initiated.

Immigration may have been high on the list of the concerns of a lot of people who voted to 'Leave' the EU, but it is not the ONLY concern, and I do not believe at all, that 'immigration is all anyone was bothered about'.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8762167)

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8762404)

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8762177)

You live in Scotland - in which particular 'bubble' of splendid isolation the Lord only knows - so what qualifies you to denigrate decent English people, old or otherwise, who have genuine grievances about the impairment to the quality of their lives, wrought by unfettered immigration into their communities?

The majority of British people - and that, by their own voilition, includes huge numbers of long domiciled immigrants, coloured or otherwise - who are concerned about uncontrolled runaway immigration, are NOT racist, xenophobic, or ignorant. They are ordinary, decent, people who have genuine concerns borne of actual direct personal experience, of the extremely adverse effects on their traditional way of life.

These 'indigenous' people are not filled with hatred, just concern. They are not against immigrants in reasonable numbers who integrate, just alarmed by huge numbers of immigrants who have not integrated, but formed ghettos; scaled down replications of the native villages, towns, and cities in their own countries - THE countries which they have left to come to Britain.

In addition to the now long established and accepted Asian usurpation of huge parts of the UK, there is now ever increasingly more areas in Great Britain where British people are GENUINELY suffering because their traditional British way of life has been, and increasingly still is being, usurped by the relentless influx of Eastern European immigrants.

Which areas of the UK now does not have its 'Little Polands', 'Little Romanias' etc? - areas where the shops, businesses, houses, and markets are owned, staffed and patronised by immigrants. Areas where English is a foreign language, and British traditions and culture even more foreign.

No one in authority has done anything to allay the concerns of these usurped indegeous citizens, because they are prejudiced against such concerns by their own political persuasions, or are fearful of the P.C. driven backlash, or are rendered impotent by 'EU Legislation'.

So yes, these people are concerned, and feel marginalised, forgotten, contemptuously ignored by the politicians whom they elected to serve them and trusted with their votes.

And YES, the win by the 'Vote Leave' campaign was partly due to the votes of these anxious citizens, because it was 'payback' time - a message to the Government, that if immigrants lives matter, then so should the lives of the downtrodden, suffering people who put this Government in power.

These people are NOT Xenophobic and NOT racist, and neither is their concerns bred of ignorance or irrational fear, but very much borne from the real increasingly adverse experiences of how uncontrolled immigration is decimating the lives of decent, ordinary people.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8762651)

It was a UK referendum, Scotland is as entitled to their say as England remember?

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8762660)

It seems not Kizzy, what some in England appear to want to do is dominate and dictate even more to the likely seen as bothersome and other burden Nations of the UK.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8761546)

Another 2 people on my FB shared this :(

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Definitely allowing more racists to come out of the closet. Never saw anything like this in all the years I have been on there, the sheer amount of racism and ignorance is shocking.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8761546)

Another 2 people on my FB shared this :(

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Definitely allowing more racists to come out of the closet. Never saw anything like this in all the years I have been on there, the sheer amount of racism and ignorance is shocking.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8762707)

:sad:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8762404)

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8762727)

:facepalm: Says someone who voted with the Establishment and Cameron and Osborne to Remain.

Do you really BELIEVE that EVERY documentary produced is done deliberately to produce a false picture of immigrants and immigration?

On the subject of 'Immigration', just WHO 'utilises the media to influence the public as a tool of information control?'

It cannot be Cameron and The Establishment because THEY have just sold their souls to try to 'influence the public' into staying in the EU' - including utilising the media' - and only those supporting immigration, openly or covertly, voted to stay in the EU.

Perhaps it was the Labour Party?..... Uh, no, ok then.

The BNP, The EDL, UKIP?... Oh, OK - none of these wield THAT kind of power or have the funds.

Let me think for a moment....... Eureka! I've got it!.... It's all just nonsense emanating from within your own mind - without foundation of course.

Thank you for another meaningless negative response, which does zilch to contribute to any meaningful debate. Bye. :wavey:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8762203)

Ian Paisley Jnr is advising Unionists in Northern Ireland to get a ROI passport :o

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8762800)

I posted this yesterday Ian SR must be turning in his grave :fan:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8759015)

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8762819)

I'll bet he is :laugh:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8762852)

new labour are more guilty than anyone for the rise in racism, they banned free speech they abused the privelige of accusing people, they eroded civil liberties and freedom of speech and they systematically accused anyone who questioned their party of racism....now those chickens are coming home to roost. they were a stinking corrupt party who hated their own country and would do anything to seize power.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8762854)

No one but the racists are to blame for the rise in racism........imo

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8762871)

Commons now talking about the rise in racism too.

Originally Posted by StephenPullen (Post 8759316)

Unfortunately, when you fail to listen to the will of the people, racism and defensiveness will surely rise. The politicians of the UK are the ones to blame for not listening to what the majority of the electorate want - eventually the people are going to take control back and it won't always be politically correct nor what the bleeding heart brigade desire. That's what happens when you take the piss out of ordinary people for far too long. Sad but true.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8762864)

Yes the world is about to end. This should please those on the left who just keep backing the losing horses

:hehe:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8759332)

Outside of london and the media, the country is rejoicing at the leave vote.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8762875)

No they 2 leaders mentioned one incident of graffiti in Hammersmith


#stopthepress

Originally Posted by StephenPullen (Post 8759345)

Being against uncontrolled immigration is not racism I'm afraid.