me not knowing the statistics for this doesn't take away the fact that it happens and it will keep happening. Lets just open the gates, let every single person come into our small island that wants to come in......where will it end? Overcrowding. It can't carry on. There is a reason so many people want to come to this country, yes, I am proud to live in Great Britain but I don't want to live in Great World, why is that wrong of me to think like this? My dad is 84 years old, a very well educated, intelligent man and he told me, "I have lived a long time and never in my life have I seen it as bad as it is today" He is surrounded by people from another country and culture and cannot see the faces of the people walking by. No one gives him the time of day where he lives, he isn't used to that, he is used to people stopping in the streets to talk to him, friendliness, neighbourly people, he has none of this anymore and this upsets him.

Anecdotal evidence is pointless unless backed up with real facts.

The stats say otherwise.

That doesnt sound like a real issue then :shrug:

Tozzie many people feel that way which is why immigration is such a discussion point right now. Parts of Britain don't look like Britain anymore but some would try to convince us that is a good thing and we should all be excited about multiculturism because they say so. It isn't working - hence Brexit.

We are all entitled to our opinions and you are far from being alone in yours.

Yeah you don't need statistics to back up the people you know who have done it. That's true.

But to make put it's a major problem the country is facing overall, that requires facts and figures beyond people you personally know.

Well the people I deal with around where I live on a daily basis are all British, mostly white and I can see their faces clearly and most of them don't stop to chat, being all neighbourly.

That's not an immigrant problem. That's a "everyone's hooked on their phones" problem imo.

It's not the 1950s anymore in more ways than one.

My final post on this subject is I am glad I am on my out and not on my way in. I am sad how my country has ended up.

I think everything going on at the moment demonstrates it is a major problem. You'd have to be blind in more ways than one not to see that. And it isn't for an idealistic and inexperienced youth to tell everyone else the way things should be.

Who are this inexperienced youth telling everyone else how it should be?

You think everything going on at the moment demonstrates Brits marrying foreigners to get them and their families citizenship is a major problem?

Or have you entered a discussion without double checking the context of certain posts and just responded?

Katie Hopkins on Tucker again responding to JK Rowling. Britain needs to listen to Tucker. :laugh:

It doesn't prove anything, TS is just speaking from his experience, he has posted no facts to back it up, he hasn't been asked to produce a 2011 census to back up his claims of a town practically full of white Brits which coincidentally happens to be a ****hole, how convenient :laugh: yet it is accepted as fact, while Tozzie has to back up all her post with facts and figures, only on TiBB :pipe: I'm an immigrant but I can see that not all immigrants contribute in a positive way to the community same as all natives don't, to claim otherwise is absurd

Tell that to TS

Your stats are 6 years old

explain yourself woman

OK here goes then/. 99% wasn't an exact figure but rather an illustration of "vast majority". Actual figures were 94.3% White British in 2007 and 96.9% White British in 2011. "WHAT!?", I hear you cry, "How can there be a DOWNWARDS trend in immigrant density numbers when we all know they are taking over the UK piece by piece??". That's the most recent available data, the next census is April 2017, but unless you're trying to tell me that there has been a massive influx in the last couple of years, I think it's safe to assume that the town is roughly 95% White British.

As for it being an unfriendly ****hole, I'm afraid I can't provide links for that, you'll just have to go there and experience it for yourself. Market day is Tuesday morning. Take a knife or small taser :joker:.

https://image.ibb.co/gwsugF/censusdata.png

Local stats mid-2007

Census data 2011


You're so vry welcome.

As I pointed out in the above post, everyone's stats are 6 years old, because the last census was in 2011. There is one this year. The 2017 census somehow showing some sort of vast shift in population demographics is HIGHLY unlikely, especially considering the fact that immigration levels year-on-year, whilst up since 2011, are not up THAT significantly. And in fact the current figures don't even have a particularly high degree of accuracy because - as you point out yourself - there IS NO DATA AVAILABLE since 2011 and the current immigration stats are estimates that are likely to be revised as soon as the actual data is collated.

There's very little point continuing to argue these points until the 2017 census data is available... but I'm sticking a reminder in my calendar to pop back into this thread when that data is released. I would be willing to bet a decent amount that they show minimal increase in the vast majority of areas.

Good to hear your thoughts Tozzie,I totally agree with you,I am quite sure we are not alone,just some not so verbal.

my stats are from 2015 :smug: anyway the point was TS that you were not asked by anyone demanding stats from Tozzie to produce them to back up your post, one rule for one etc.... but thank you for producing them.

:nono: Estimates, the only official population stats are the census.

they might be estimates but they are probably more accurate than figures from 6 years ago :fist:

Surely the next census is in 2021.
Only a test census in 2017. Limited areas to test out some new questioning.

Hmmm, that does seem to be the case. I guess we'll never know, no way TiBB will still be around in 2021 :laugh:.

Don't say that TS.
I need my daily dose of TIBB.

I have wondered how I'll ever know what's going on in the world without Tibb :think:. I don't have broadcast telly and I purposefully avoid newspaper stands like the plague because tabloid headlines ruin my day. I rely on Tibb for the headlines and then I Google the issue to get the actual facts :joker:. Without Arista telling me what's happening in 1080p I'll be lost...

Incorrect, the Bradford stats I listed were from last year.

Have you been?

There's a reason it's known locally as Bradistan.

I prefer to rely on stats rather than biased perceptions.

That reason being casual racism, I assume?

Nope.The reason being that prominent parts of it resemble an Asian country rather than a Yorkshire city.

And so people call it... "Bradistan". Those funny, witty, not-at-all-casually-racist scamps.

:hehe:

"The British are never Foreigners, wherever they go!"

I'm not sure if he's joking or not but... I'm pretty sure that a lot of British people do, if they're being honest, believe that to be the truth.

I just put that there because these "Ex Pats" (not immigrants of course) are doing exactly what some people in this thread are getting upset about when foreigners come into Britain ie. not integrate, form "ghettos", expect the natives to adapt to them, refuse to learn the language etc etc ..............no doubt I'll get the" but we Brits are making Spain better/giving them money etc etc excuse *yawn*

But British ghettos are nice and posh and clean and only have leather-faced old people who spend far too much time in the sun... dirty Bradistan ghettos are full of filthy disgusting non-British people. You must see that there is a huge difference.

:laugh:

On a personal note, I know a few English people living in Spain from spending holidays there and they all said they voted to leave the EU too because too many foreigners etc......but none of them have any intention of ever moving back there from Spain............odd.

Yeah it always make me smile when they say we moved here to get away from the immigrants :joker:

As for people living together in communities this has been the case for centuries, the Irish did it in New York and Boston, the Italians in Little Italy, the Jews in Stamford Hill etc etc I don't have an issue with that

I think a lot of them didn't think about the potential consequences or didn't think it applied to them

I really don't know, I didn't even want to get into it with them it was so stupid :laugh:

I think the difference practically a quarter of any city in Spain isn't English or any other culture, they remain predominantly Spanish? If Cork City were to become 25% Muslim and instead of the Shandon Bells all you could hear were calls to prayer, I'm pretty sure the Irish would have something to say about it. :joker: