Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9691162)

it's been a while, so i thought i better check :laugh:

In the New Testament, "Son of God" is applied to Jesus on many occasions.[2] Jesus is declared to be the Son of God on two separate occasions by a voice speaking from Heaven. Jesus is also explicitly and implicitly described as the Son of God by himself and by various individuals who appear in the New Testament.[2][5][6][7] As applied to Jesus, the term is a reference to his role as the Messiah, the King chosen by God.[8] The contexts and ways in which Jesus' title, Son of God, means something more than or other than Messiah remain the subject of ongoing scholarly study and discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9691173)

It seems simple enough to me; God created a physical human body (which you could call "his son", physically, a human body that he created) but then he put himself, or a humanised incarnation of himself, into that physical body. The body is just a vehicle (an avatar) for the "soul" of God himself, which existed before, and continued to exist after, the body. The body itself didn't have its own separate individual self, however, the "human life" and experiences that God lived inside that body could be considered distinct from the rest of his existence. You could argue that the experience of being human himself altered his understanding of humanity, hence the tonal differences between the new and old testaments, and the general insistence that anything contradictory to the old testament contained in the new testament should be considered to "override" the old testament.

I kind of wish there was truth in it, it's a fascinating story really. I get why people get so invested in it.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9691173)

It seems simple enough to me; God created a physical human body (which you could call "his son", physically, a human body that he created) but then he put himself, or a humanised incarnation of himself, into that physical body. The body is just a vehicle (an avatar) for the "soul" of God himself, which existed before, and continued to exist after, the body. The body itself didn't have its own separate individual self, however, the "human life" and experiences that God lived inside that body could be considered distinct from the rest of his existence. You could argue that the experience of being human himself altered his understanding of humanity, hence the tonal differences between the new and old testaments, and the general insistence that anything contradictory to the old testament contained in the new testament should be considered to "override" the old testament.

I kind of wish there was truth in it, it's a fascinating story really. I get why people get so invested in it.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9691174)

That's kind of explained here :

Jesus can be both God and the son of God because the terms don't mean the same thing. When we say that Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8), we are saying that Jesus possesses the divine nature (as well as a human nature, see hypostatic union). But the term "Son of God" does not mean that Jesus is not God. Think about it. If the term "Son of God" meant that Jesus is not God, then does the term "Son of Man" mean that Jesus is not a man? Of course not. Likewise, if the term "Son of Man" means that Jesus is a man, then does it not imply that when it says Jesus is the "Son of God" that he is God? We ought not look at the ancient words found in Scripture and judge them by modern thinking.

"For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God," (John 5:18).

As you can see in this verse, Jesus was calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God. Therefore, the term Son of God is a designation of the equality with God when it is a reference to Christ.

https://carm.org/how-can-jesus-be-bo...and-son-of-god

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 9691179)

not just a physical body, supposedly the only human ever born without sin since Adam. literally a boy born with the spirit of God, he did not have original sin, and he was God on earth.

Saying a boy made from God, well then Jesus would be no different than Adam, because God made Adam aswell, Adam was truly the "son" of God.

Jesus was not the son of God, Jesus was actually God.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9691181)

Well that would be because original sin is part of the soul that inhabits the human body, whereas Jesus didn't have a human soul, he was just a flesh-suit for the soul of God to ride around in for a while.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9691180)

well that's as clear as .... mud :laugh:


anyway, given its entirely a work of fiction to my mind, i really don't care one way or another, but I do know what I was taught as a kid, and that was what I repeated.

Wars have been fought (literally) over less

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9691181)

Well that would be because original sin is part of the soul that inhabits the human body, whereas Jesus didn't have a human soul, he was just a flesh-suit for the soul of God to ride around in for a while.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 9691189)

anyways, the whole thing makes no sense, so I really can't believe that i'm defending it or explaining it lol

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9691162)

it's been a while, so i thought i better check [emoji23]

In the New Testament, "Son of God" is applied to Jesus on many occasions.[2] Jesus is declared to be the Son of God on two separate occasions by a voice speaking from Heaven. Jesus is also explicitly and implicitly described as the Son of God by himself and by various individuals who appear in the New Testament.[2][5][6][7] As applied to Jesus, the term is a reference to his role as the Messiah, the King chosen by God.[8] The contexts and ways in which Jesus' title, Son of God, means something more than or other than Messiah remain the subject of ongoing scholarly study and discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9691190)

Same :laugh:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9691195)

so who is the Pope then?

:huh:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9691200)

The Pope is Jesus' nephew.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 9691199)

*huggles and snuggles* I missed you. we'll be fine. :hug:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9691206)

:hug: Where have you been hiding anyway Alex?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9691198)

Never mind scholarly discussion. Lostalex knows.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 9691208)

Oh it's a very long gay sexual story...I've been busy lol When i was a regular here i was basically an agoraphobic.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9691160)

The fumes. :joker:

The way TS explains in his first post is exactly how I meant.

Jesus is not God in and of himself. He is a part of God. Very different. Hence being the son.

All of the parts collectively are God.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9691212)

this is what I learned, Niamh wasn't listening in class

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9691213)

You weren't listening in class it seems :nono:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 9691208)

Oh it's a very long gay sexual story...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9691213)

You weren't listening in class it seems :nono:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9691093)

I'm sure ours closes at 4 on a sunday. Lazy bastards wanting an extra hour off :bored:

My mate works in tesco and apparently shes having to work xmas day. Shops not open, but they still want staff in. horrible *****. No need for anyone who works in a shop to do xmas really. Maybe with the exception of a couple of petrol stations and corner shops where the OWNERS do the shifts as they want the cash

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9691248)

There are certain industries that have to work over Xmas.

I work in the medical sector so some of us have to work Xmas day. Its always good fun though and the shifts are normally shorter than normal.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9691251)

That is completely different to somewhere like Tesco being open is it not? obviously some places have to be staffed, as it would be completely inhumane and impractical not to have medical services available, but I think if someone has run out of milk they can manage for a day without it?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9691251)

That is completely different to somewhere like Tesco being open is it not? obviously some places have to be staffed, as it would be completely inhumane and impractical not to have medical services available, but I think if someone has run out of milk they can manage for a day without it?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9691377)

I agree. Leading up to Christmas always makes me laugh. People shop like there's about to be a 2-month famine.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9691408)

My nan used to be really bad like that.

Then she'd spend most of January passing food around to family to see who will have it before it goes out of date.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9691356)

The corner shop I live 10 seconds away from is open every Christmas day. I usually end up popping in there for some Rennies.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9692221)

Seems like a storm in a teacup but I wouldn't necessarily scream racism since no one is complaining about mixed race or ethnic families in the ad which would be racist, just about another cult/religion being featured since the ad is about a religious festival. I can see why some might find that strange and some muslims might be offended to see the ad promoting them as being part of a celebration that isn't part of their cult. In fact I'm an atheist but we do Christmas because not everyone in the household is an atheist and because I love turkey and fairy lights are pretty so I'm sure that would upset someone somewhere too.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9692228)

We all are atheist too but I think Christmas has gone far beyond a religious holiday anymore anyway. I have reclaimed it as a holiday for family and friends and presents and food and drink and board games and movies and fluffy socks and PJs :hee:

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9692231)

Merry fluffy socks for next month Naimh. :wavey: