Were the Jews' actions at the time comparable to a number of muslims' actions today?

Oh please don't fake outrage Livia. I didn't for a single moment compare it with the Holocaust.

Even if it was, would the Jewish people of deserved what happened to them. The answer is a clear 'NO'.

Apparently were were not well taught about this in school.

http://www.waupun.k12.wi.us/Policy/o...Religions.html

When we speak about the Semitic religions, we are referring to Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. The word Semitic describes the people who came from the Middle East and their languages. Arabs and Jews are both Semitic. Christianity is a Semitic religion because it originated in the Middle East.

Of course not, but bringing the treatment of Jews by the Nazis into discussions about muslims in the modern world is just ... ill.

But as far as I am aware the Jewish people didn’t have factions preaching hate and violence against them. They didn’t have millions pouring into their country and refusing to integrate into their way of life. Jewish people integrated well whilst still having their own religion and culture. They learned the language and were not trying to tell others how to live. They were generally very productive to the economy for example.

Many see a significant difference.

To be fair, attacks on the Jewish folks had been going on for centuries prior to the uprising of the Nazi party. Jews were primarily blamed for the killing of the jesus, which bred mistrust and led to lies such of blood libel (the murdering of Christian children for their blood) being laid against them.

The nazi's just made it a policy, but the resentment and mistrust of Jews had been built up by the catholic church in the middle ages.

I deliberately brought in the discussion prior to the Holocaust. I lost relatives in the Holocaust or at least my husband did. The Holocaust is a whole other tragedy.

Neither do most Muslim families.

There is no doubt that there are little pockets of evil Muslims but they don't represent all. The constant threads about Muslims does represent them all. They have now, by some on here, all been bunched together in a joint evil.

That's true, they have spent centuries being demonized by different faiths and they still got demonized when they escaped Nazi occupation and came to places like the UK. We were very cruel to the escaping Jewish people. Most Jews arriving here, including my farther-in-law (as a small child) had to change their name and were advised not to let neighbors know they were Jewish. The Daily Mail put out daily propaganda about how the Jewish men were raping our women and kidnapping our children. English people were encouraged to fear the incoming Jews and that to me, feels very similar to what the Daily Mail is doing today. Different religion, same propaganda.

(People didn't like islamophobia and decided this was a better way to describe their views last week :whistle:)

I meant the Nazis didn’t have Jewish factions preaching hate and death etc against them in the way that those threatening Britain @nd the rest of Europe today are Muslim. Your interpretation makes no sense.

Phobias don’t usually have any solid foundations and are based on an irrational fear. The criticism of Islam and it’s treatment of Women is very rational.

You also can’t just make up any old ‘phobia’ word to try and shut down criticism and expect people to blindly accept it. Antisemitism is at least a real word. :rolleyes:

But that's only a small pocket of Muslims, not Muslims as a whole. Muslim as a whole are not threatening Britain or Europe but when you read snippets of the Daily Mail you could easily believe its all Muslims.

So why didn't people widely talk about this before these wars began?

Its like any ammunition to spread the hate is a good thing... at least for some.

See, Livia. Told you. I think it's pretty silly too tbh.

I see you have resorted to the old DM put downs when I rarely read the DM, certainly no more than any other newspaper as can be seen from the variety of sources I have provided in the past. Weak.

You say it’s small but many are not convinced. The Muslim religion is the most controversial religion for good reason - it is the one most at war with so many countries and other religions and the one causing friction and spouting hate in Britain. That kind of hate breeds mistrust. It is the one causing the most problems in the world @nd the one we see covering women from head to toe and stoning them to death for next to nothing ...

Young Muslim men born and bred in Europe are risking their lives to fight for a religion against the country they were born in and bombing the countries that gave them and their parents more freedoms and choice. It is an obsessive religion - very like a cult. It isn’t healthy in the opinion of many. Sorry if that doesn’t sit well with you but that is what many see because that is what is happening.

You're mistaking outrage for amusement at you comparing the Jews' persecution with the Muslims' persecution. The vast majority of Muslims who are persecuted are persecuted by other Muslims.


I an understand why. They've taken literally an archaic explanation of the term. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

They did talk about it. Everyone knows about Islam's treatment of women, FGM etc. If you think people are now using that knowledge as a new stick with which to beat Muslims, you're really wide of the mark. You lived in Iran didn't you? You can't be ignorant of the fact that people in the West have been fighting for women's rights in the Middle East for aaaaaaaaaages.

And again.... most hate for Muslims comes from other Muslims.

Well they should choose another word or risk looking ill-informed.

I agree, to put it simply; anti-sematic is commonly used to describe anti-jewish stances, and islamophobic is commonly used to describe anti-muslim stances - and that doesnt really need changing. Both words work fine when used for these reasons.

Bit confused as to why some would rather their posts be described as anti-sematic than islamophobic too - but thats the reason you're seeig the phrase now. Someone decided last week that they didnt like to be called islamophobic on tibb, and then a few mutually agreed that anti-sematic could work.

I might be wrong but I think you have taken Liva’s words the wrong way. I don’t think she is agreeing that the disapproval of the word Islamophobia is a negative thing.

Just stop saying islamophobic things if you dont want your posts described that way :shrug: i wont be calling them anti-sematic or any other word because you requested so, sorry.

I won’t recognise your criticism of my opinions or give them any credence and may respond with my own made-up word if necessary - what is fine for you is fine for me.

Slightly offtopic, but you know its a dictionary-recognised word, right? Has been for years. Besides, I dont think I've described any posts that way for months? I honestly do try to avoid your 'I hate everyone who isnt me' threads.

You could have fooled me. You don’t seem to be able to keep away from my posts. And you can make nasty character aspersions like that but that is at best your opinion and/or childish baiting. I can safely say I pretty much hate terrorists that intentionally kill people, don’t you, and I don’t have any time for anyone who either supports them or makes excuses for them.