Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9883456)

It just seems particularly bad when it's around charity events I think

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9883461)

Could be a little of the religion thing going on where scumbags use the cloak of "respectability" to abuse

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 9882864)

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9883391)

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning..:laugh:...that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9883549)

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9883669)

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers D: People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9883549)

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9883830)

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9883669)

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers D: People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9883805)

I should be surprised at this sickening troll like comment from you...Strangely I'm not.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9883830)

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9885291)

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9883549)

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9885513)

But someone has:



Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9885513)

Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9885594)

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9885591)

A bit hard to do when every news item begins with "husband of murdered mp jo cox"

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9885719)

That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9885719)

That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9885594)

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9885759)

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9885927)

So Cox's friend and pal of Gordon Brown; Justin Forsyth, has now just resigned at Unicef


:skull:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9885513)

But someone has:



Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9885759)

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9885290)

If you find out that Lee Rigby's wife was a sex pest, crack on.

No one involved in the Brighton bombing has been elevated to the status of Jo Cox anyway.

It's a tragedy that she was murdered. It doesn't mean her husband can't be criticised!

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9885291)

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9879394)

Surely his wife must have know he was a sex pest?

vile

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 9879444)

She was just another politician at the time though, she wasn't the new Jesus yet.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9879992)

people have invested so much sainthood in jo cox its hard now to realise that her husband was a wanker i guess is what is going on?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9883549)

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9885976)

So was she not married to the man? Not one person in this thread has said anything bad about the woman, unless it now has become a crime to be married to a sleaze ball? If it is, it's a new one on me

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9886011)

What would Lee Rigby's wife have to do with him? She is her own person, just as - shock horror - Brendan Cox is his. No one (well, apart from maybe Kizzy - and for the record I disagree with her line of reasoning) is suggesting he can't be criticised. Discuss him all you like, HE is the subject of the news story - not his wife. The media running with 'husband of Jo Cox' is crass too, that doesn't mean you all have to follow it to the letter.

No one has given Jo Cox a sainthood status as is being so nastily implied here. And, for what it's worth, Lee Rigby is on a much higher pedestal than she has ever been. I wonder why that is?

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.



Except they didn't, did they LT? The first and last posts here cast aspersions against the woman herself. And the other two are just pathetic.









Now go bait someone else

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9886024)

As usual with yourself Jack you cant make a point without insulting members due to your very high opinion of yourself and you view, albeit often misguided

Just because a woman is dead does not mean one cannot talk about her or speculate about her, unless you know differently?


oh and i see that you and one other still hate this "cesspit" of a forum but cant stop posting in it?

Funny that, isnt it......:idc:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9886035)

I insulted no one.

It doesn't mean you can't, no, but to do so when they are NOT the subject of the story is insensitive and crass. But you know that already.

Yes LT, it is indeed funny that I'd like this section to return to the productive and constructive place it once was, rather than being filled with petty mudslinging, tit for tat, baiting and inflammatory comments. But again, you knew that already.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9886047)

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9886056)

how is speculating on Jo Cox on topic here?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9886063)

she was married to the main subject and lived with him in 2015. She was a politician who spoke on topics like charity, overseas aid, sexism, sexual harassment..

do i need to go on?