Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10794183)

Still doing this kizzy? I remember you talking about this years back..

It still makes not much sense to me, however, thats because I do total water fasts instead, and the whole point of that is to get your body into ketosis, which burns fat FAST and leaves alone muscle largely. Where this, would not have that benefit, as the sugar would likely be too high to get into ketosis to start with.

But it seems to help those who try it so...meh. Also I have found, the psychological benefits of fasting in general are amazing. Its quite hard to explain, but I expect those who have done fasts understand what I mean...everythings so..clear. Its weird.

Loads of stuff thats actually rather healthy is written off as a dangerous fad. I know this from my research into water fasting, people see it as starving yourself, which is sort of right, however, you always stop it when you get a sign of true hunger, which oddly, tends not to be til a few WEEKS after starting it, as funnily enough, our bodies are not designed to be fed around the clock, and are actually able to go very long periods of time with no food at all (average body can go about 40 days with nothing bar water..much longer if overweight). It actually fixes a lot of health issues too, which was the main reason I tried it. Didn't fix me, but did lose 2 stone in a week and a half, 5 pounds of which was water weight as came back immediately, rest stayed off.

Fixes a lot of health stuff because again, our bodies naturally repair themselves with certain stuff (seems to help mostly with stuff like acne, but some people have had success with other illnesses too, my cousins swears his IBS is much better and easier to manage after a fast), and with no food, your body has much less work to do as whole digestive system is dormant, so it can get to work trying to fix issues. Its quite amazing really when you read into it, what our bodies can do if given the chance..

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10794193)

And yes, it does cut your cravings for crap.

Kind of a reset button in a way

My diet has been shocking in the past, pretty much living on takeaways and that. After a fast, you crave fresh veg and that for ages. For me, even the thought of a greasy burger made me feel ill for weeks. Eventually I have slipped back sometimes, but its easy to reset again, even just say..5 days fasting. I do plan on doing a 30 day one, to lose all my extra weight at some stage, just..not yet. Bit amibitious, even though the hunger goes around day 3/4, and you get loads of energy from nowhere too..

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10794228)

I remember you talking about it in another thread before Vicky

Did you find water fasting hard? And did you have anything like diet soda/tea or whatever? Also did you do any exercise or even just much walking throughout the days? Did you feel weak at all??

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794229)

Hi Vicky great to see you :) yep did it about 4ish years ago with great results but working shifts for years has seen it all come back slowly :(
I couldn't water fast and work and drive wouldn't feel safe to do that. (I'm in various states of ketosis, sometimes light pink sometimes darker on the ketostix) only have a small fruit one in the mornings then it's just veg.

I agree it does take some time to explain the benefits for someone with chronic inflammation or complex heath problems. Like you I see it as a reset too, a way of resting the body from the taxing job of constantly digesting so it can focus on other tasks :)

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794231)

Deffo agree! I remember last time after the fast trying to eat a Mars bar, it was so sweet! It was disgusting, unfortunately I persevered with it :/

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10794210)

Not read the whole thread so not sure what this arguments about but fasting is much better for the body than even the occasional binge drink and kebab night tbh. Our bodies are meant to fast. And its obvious if you think about it..its only recent years where foods been on tap all the time, we used to have to hunt, and that could take forever and we didn't die out. Very long periods of time 'starving' is usual for us as animals, not for us as..well what we are used to, this 2000 calories, 4 meals a day stuff that we have over and over again since birth..

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10794241)

To start with, definitely. It was more the..habit of eating though than hunger. Day 2 I am 'starving though' always, but day 3 the hunger vanishes totally and I get a ****load of energy, thats when I know my body has switched to basically feeding itself off my fat stores. Took a fair few tries to get past day 1 to start with! Not now though as I know its just one uncomfortable day, then I will feel healthier than ever for ages. Some people have diet drinks and that, I didn't, I did cheat and have chewing gum once though just for something to taste! Others have said even diet drinks have kicked them out of ketosis though, so not sure if its a good idea or not.

Did a lot of walking, had at least 3x as much energy as usual, which was odd the first time as..expected to be weak. Only ever feel weak on day 2, when body is adjusting. I have not done it to full 'body shows hunger' stage yet..I always break it before that, after a week or 2. But apparently, once your hunger signs show its impossible to ignore or miss..and if you continue the fast beyond that point THEN you are starving yourself. Will get to that stage eventually, just to see. They say real hunger is felt in the throat, not the stomach too, which is interesting..

Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 10794212)

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it. :joker:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10794243)

Haha yeah, been there. Its awful, but keep going. Then your body ends up craving sugar again and back to square one :D

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10794251)

That's really interesting. :clap1: The most I've done was like 2 days and a bit, not planned though... I was travelling in the car a lot and just didn't really feel like eating and then realised after I'd not eaten anything, just drank water and tea. I actually felt fine, not hungry/weak or anything but on the third day I literally just ate because I thought I should. :skull:

Do you feel any different when you get into keto?

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10794269)

Massively. Thats the energetic phase, also clear mind for some reason. I can concentrate better, memory gets better, everything. In keto I feel healthier than I did in my teens tbh. Remembering how good it makes me feel is actually making me want to do it again now :laugh: The 'keto flu' stage on day 2/3 though is bad..and seems worse if your diets been ****e for a while too, its a little like opiate withdrawal actually..very crappy. Luckily for me though, that lasts a day at most then its all done and I feel great, apparently it takes a few days for some people.

Main problems I have seen have been about breaking it. A guy I know did 2 weeks water fasting,m then stupidly broke it with a mcdonalds :bored: he actually ended up in hospital. If its been a while, you need to start with watermelon or something and build back up to 'normal' eating, not just binge like hell!

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10794280)

That's interesting to know :clap1:

That's crazy though @ going into hopspital :omgno: I've heard about it before that you need to begin again with fruit or something light to like ease back into it because your body's not used to it

Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 10794212)

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it. :joker:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10794317)

I feel like it's important to point out at this stage that some of the "dietary" advice being given here is ranging from inadvisable to downright dangerous. I mean... it's your body, do what you want with it, but I have to say draw a line at encouraging other people to do it.

If you want to be a healthy weight and feel good, eat whole grains, fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, legumes and lean protein and stick to that permanently. Crash dieting is dangerous and daft no matter how many internet articles tell you otherwise, and (as the people advocating it seem to be freely admitting??) almost always leads to a relapse into unhealthy eating.

Again do what you want with your own body but stop suggesting to other people that it's a good idea. It's reckless.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794204)

Of course it's subjective .. you claimed 'they' know it's bad for them, that's not true is it? Some people think it's perfectly acceptable as they only do it once or twice a week.
It's still a dangerous fad..you don't have to be doing something everyday for it to be dangerous or a fad.

Unlike you I don't believe binge drinking and fast food are perfectly ok just because someone isn't doing it everyday :/

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794181)

That's a no then?...

I found this comment rude and aggressive, try being a little more respectful and tactful in your responses.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10794403)

Meh I think most have a 'anything in moderation is fine' mentality going on. Which is possibly right, maybe not but personally I would rather run the risk of an illness when older because of bad food choices, than be obsessively counting all calories, all fat content etc...that would be a pain in the arse tbh.

Mind, I also smoke, knowing full well its likely to give me issues at some stage.

Would rather enjoy life while I have it, than worry constantly trying to extend it in advance. Can't think of much worse than living to 100+ anyway!

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10794328)

Amazing, you have done it in a way that you can maintain as well, lass calories more exercise is the only thing that works for me




A 30 day fast is insane :shrug:if you can fast for that length of time you should have no problem sticking to 1400 calories or thereabouts, add in 20 minutes a day of an exercise that will raise your heart rate and you will lose weight in no time :shrug:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10794361)

It is the very definition of crash dieting :think:.

If it's been done on medical advice that's one thing (there are various medical reasons to fast) but that is literally the only time people should be considering it ... I'm genuinely a bit concerned that someone is going to read this thread and decide it's a great idea to stop eating for a couple of days, or only drink juice for a month. Besides the potential for physical complications, things like this can trigger bonafide eating disorders.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10794402)

A no? You just asked a question about how dangerous juice cleanse is by quoting a post I replied to about "sweaty kebabs".

Stop deliberately pulling my replies out of context, it's childish.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10794407)

Exactly. People take chances based on what they enjoy (or in some cases struggle to resist) whilst in full knowledge of what they are doing.

But, Kizzy likes to think they're all drooling uneducated twits who don't know what they're doing is unhealthy and she and her magic juice are all knowing. :hee:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10794637)

#istandwithkizzy

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10794640)

Best thread for me in ages..I've learned so much.

Thank you Kizzy.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794621)

I take it the insane comment is directed at me? ...

What exactly am I deficient in apart from a few calories? Veg juice has plenty of vitamins minerals and soluble fibre to sustain me through the day.
I'm finding it really rude the snide comments that I haven't thought this through and researched the benefits thoroughly. I have arthritis. .. some days I struggle to walk without moderate pain even on naproxen, please tell me what excersises you recommend for me that I can do for 20mins on those days Cherie. I'm really interested.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794636)

More rude ignorant comments..I'm done responding to your goading. Again those I work with think nothing of 'enjoying' themselves with drink and takeout. They don't see it as bad as they 'work hard' it's sociable and it's only once a week..

The assumption that everyone is well aware of the damage is wrong they don't , you are discrediting those I have spoke to to fit your narrative.

Personally I'm the opposite to Vicky, I will give up things to attempt to maintain my health for as long as possible. I've give up smoking, drinking, now if I have to I'll give up refined carbs, sat fat and sugar...

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794628)

You are evading the question again... no matter I'm past caring.
It's clear you are just making random negative comments with no reasoning behind your logic.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10794748)

Yes congratulations to Kizzy on becoming a dietician. BSc in nutrition from "I watched a film about it" university.

Fasting is dangerous unless under medical direction.

But your bodies are your own so :shrug: do what you want I guess.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10794707)

How would it be directed at you, who is doing the water fast in this thread not you? You didn’t fast you were on a juice cleanse.


How do I know what pain you have, at any rate exercise is recommended for those even with severe arthritis...in fact if you don’t exercise you will cease up. Can you swim? or do water aerobics or something.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20047971

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10794933)

Because it's my thread and I've just done a 30 day cleanse/ fast maybe, are you attempting to educate me on my own condition? :laugh: