Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10856289)

Is that definitely true or just made up media krap ?


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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10856298)

Under that Private Hotel
no rules like that.

They are Professionals
that leave their kids safe together
they thought?

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10856302)

It baffles me how anyone can condone leaving three children under 4, at night, in unfamiliar surroundings on the excuse that they thought they would be safe together. Like how? Would the 3 year old know what to do if one of the younger babies threw up? Or start choking? Or just got upset?

Let alone be able to in any way know how to protect them if a paedophile burglar broke in?

I have no words to think in what universe anyone would ever think that it was a good idea to leave them alone once, nevermind multiple nights on holiday

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10856337)

These stories seem to pop up every so often don't they, I wonder about it hhhmm

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10856354)

This story is still so crazy to me, in that I genuinely don't know what to think/believe actually happened that night. There is SO much that still doesn't add up but it's also possible that a lot of their timings/memory of specific details is off just because the whole thing is a blur. Like sure they shouldn't have left the kids there alone but they did and blaming the parents for that just doesn't really help the whole thing tbh.

I really just don't think somebody got in through the window and took her though. I can't help but feel like Gerry (idk about Kate tbh) had something to do with it :shrug: But then so awful to think that if they genuinely didn't so I wouldn't want to make assumptions about it either.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10856189)

In law Marsh.
You are correct.
There are no grounds for prosecuting in law.

This is one of those issues where many can relate to the pain of losing a child in whatever way Madeline was lost.

Equally many who find the Parents, for not any emergency but only to socialise.
Actually both leaving their children at night alone while they did so.

There's media which have expressed suspicion nearer home.
The Parents were interviewed as possible suspects too at one time.

There has been no court judgements of guilt or innocence as to any possible in this tragic loss of a child.
So nothing to charge anyone for as to having and expressing their opinion.
Immaterial of the side they may lean to.

Some however, who feel strongly as to child neglect will be livid, rightly, with any parents leaving children as young as these were at the time.
For ANY length of time.
May express that more forcefully than others.

If the truth is known ever in the future.
Then any who've made false judgements can apologise if they wish.
If the facts once proven, show the position they took was incorrect.

Nothing to prosecute for at all.

I have had my position changed from talking to those on this site over the years, and doing new assessment of what I originally felt.

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10856566)

Loads of thieves get in through windows .. it’s the main point of access isn’t it ?
Everyone locks doors but leave windows open... especially in hot climates .

The suspect has a history of house breaking as well as the other offences

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10856744)

I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment. :shrug:

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10856744)

I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment. :shrug:

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.

Originally Posted by Aaliyah (Post 10856304)

The McCann's could have accidentally killed Madeleine. Watch the Netflix documentary, Kate refused to answer 70+ questions at the immediate stages of the investigation, a sniffer dog smelt blood in their room and in their hire car, and the most weird thing of all is the fact that whilst still on Portugal, they washed Madeleine's teddy! So many weird things that don't add up, they could have accidently drugged her on some sleeping tablets and gave her too much, they are doctors after all but she's a child, makes sense since she was crying the night before as she couldn't find them!

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10856744)

I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment. :shrug:

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 10856818)

The window at the front was open and I believe Madeleines bed was next to it. This was at the front of the apartment but there was a drop from the window to the ground. It’s been reported this guy is tall...but maybe he had an accomplice?
But yes the patio doors were left unlocked..

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 10856815)

They didn’t do it....their only crime was to leave their 3 children alone in an unlocked apartment. A decision they must regret every day of their lives. They had the option of childcare...all their friends were equally guilty.

She was abducted.

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10856765)

Again only from memory I think kate said they broke in through the shutters on a phonecall home but then it was shown that the shutter were down, locked and undisturbed, locked.from the inside.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10856838)

Yes, but I was talking about the comment Kate made about the curtains blowing in the breeze, which they can't have been with the shutters down, closed and locked.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10856841)

With all due respect you dont know whether they did it or not. There was zero evidence that she was abducted where as there was some evidence to say she died in the apartment as indicated by the blood and cadaver dogs

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 10856872)

I thought the shutters were open hence the breeze...

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10856870)

It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10856870)

It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10856932)

There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10856980)

See I don’t know anywhere near enough about this case and especially the “facts” surrounding it but again it just seems unlikely that their family members would be saying things that would incriminate the McCanns ... it sounds remarkably like simple media talk

. May I ask where you got that info on the family statements ?


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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10856984)

Again, it was mentioned on the documentaries and in interviews since then.....hang on I'll find a link.

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10856986)

But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10856988)

It could simply be the stress of the time.....that is why there is such strong feelings on them. When they were classed as official suspects in the early days, Kate refused to answer a lot of the police questions and did some quite questionable things like washing Maddies fave toy....could be a sign of guilt but equally of shock. The whole case is devisive.....

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10856932)

Who knows? There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.

They are both intelligent people but still left 3'children under 4 unsupervised, at night, in a foreign country after the eldest child told them she had been crying for them the previous.night. Now, I'm no Doctor but even my intellect tells me that's wrong

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10856999)

There are so many inconsistencies in this tragedy.
The second paragraph of your post is what always sticks with me.
It's something I cannot get past myself in this case.
Really strong post again Annie.

If the Parents really know nothing about what happened or whether they do.
As to any development or result of this.
Your last paragraph above, makes the most worrying and confusing reading on the loss of this child.

Maybe confusion is all that's been created in this whole tragedy to offset any concrete results being possible.
Obviously now, this new investigation, yet another, despite all the previous investigating, we need to see where this goes I guess.

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10856986)

But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10857073)

I'm not a massive fan of Judge Rinder but I agree with his comments yesterday, where he said that the McCanns had been hideously libelled by Internet trolls. I couldn't agree more. All the people who think they're privy to certain information because they read it on the Internet, written by other trolls. You'd think that if the information is that solid, why someone - anyone - could verify these "facts". But, no....

The Portuguese police mishandled the case from day one. One bungle after another... and they closed the case far too soon. Luckily, Scotland Yard and Interpol were less tardy.

If this paedophile is convicted, I hope the McCanns spend any money left in the pot bringing Internet trolls into court.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10857089)

And this lead will end up going nowhere because there was no conspiracy or kidnapping, just two negligent parents covering up their grave mistake.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10857114)

I also think the McCanns are victim of inverted snobbery. How many times have I heard that if they were working class they would have been treated worse, that people would have imagined they were guilty rather than imagining they were innocent. I remember Karen Matthews. She was working class and was treated as innocent right up to the time they found her guilty.