I took my dad his Christmas presents today, he's doing the whole distancing stuff and where I'd usually go in his house, this time I stayed outside.

My Mother doesn't really care too much about it and we go in and out of each others house as we normally do.

I think I need to explain there that my Father and Mother are no longer together.

Because I hear it all the time in real life, people are always like 'well things would be worse under Corbyn!' like he's a relevant response to how badly Boris is ****ing up.

It's boring. I'm just bored of Tory supporters.

All you're telling me though Kazanne with all due respect is that Boris isn't really cut out for the job as his accidentally making loads of mistakes.

If you’re bored by ‘tories supporters’ maybe talking about the tories every waking second doesn’t help as you’re likely to attract that conversation?

Must be marvelous to be talking to people in real life long enough to have a political debate...do you live in australia/new Zealand?

Trust yourself and the people around you.
That's my xmas motto.

And there is the answer to all the negativity, whatever they do will be wrong for some.

Is this any surprise to anyone when everything they have done has been wrong thus far.

Indeed you're correct there.

Plus by the same token, to some too, no matter what this PM and government and PM do will always be right to them.


I've lost count of the times I've stated, no matter who was PM and the government, if they'd failed and dangerously played with the lives of people like this lot have.
I'd be as scathing against them as I am against this hopeless crowd in now.

All we hear on here at times, is blame the media, blame the opposition's, blame the EU remainers, blame political stances of people.
However DON'T blame those actually making the decisions,Johnson and his Cabinet.
Because some blindly turn away from any wrongs they do and from a hard-line stance, support this shower in government, no matter what they say and do.

Had Labour won a year ago, or we'd had a coalition and all this failure and wrongs been done by them, I'd be just about done totally with them.

Blind support of any Party is a sad and dangerous road in my view.

Johnson is hopeless, he should never have been PM, this crisis has exposed all the worst about him, his choices of Ministers and how he runs his government too.

Fully agree, and I feel like Labour have also made many wrong moves through this pandemic. Such as abstaining in votes and failing to provide full opposition at crucial times. They've also advocated schools staying open and being re-opened at the earliest opportunity in January.

Both parties are letting the country down, although Tories FAR more so.

I agree with all that.
I didn't really agree with schools opening fully the way they have been too.

I rarely agree with abstentions in parliament too.
I think it sends a weak message.
Which Johnson was able to capitalise on.

Mind you, he'd have got a shock had Labour and the SNP voted against his plans..
As they'd have been likely defeated.

Of course on the being fair side, one Party has all the data, analysis, scientific and health advice.
To help make decisions on.
The other Party hasn't, in fact all other Parties haven't.

Blind loyalty is for sheep and the gullible. People who are being **** on by Boris yet still cheer him on deserve no sympathy. They should only be laughed at for playing the role of the fool gladly.

Boris has been a disaster, he had done absolutely nothing right, with the only good decisions being made possible by Rishi Sunak. He knew about how badly things would get with Covid months before and did nothing, he knew about the new strain of Covid in September and did nothing, he has screwed the pooch on Brexit and has potentially left us with supply shortages and yet people will support him just because they forget they are people with a voice and not his ****ing lapdogs.

Boris has ****ed everything up, be mad, be angry that someone who you gave your trust to has ****ed you over. Don't make excuses for incompetence just because the incompetent fool in question wears blue.

I just can't with Tory voters, I can't.

When they're enabling dangerous incompetence, I'll have to speak against them.

Why bother? It's not like you'll change any minds, and speaking about it all the time just gets you in a piss, why waste the time, make yourself look like a moaner, and strain your mental health? Just smile falsely and think them as being stupid.

I genuinely want to know as an outsider looking in what would Boris and Co have to do to make the hardcore voters finally go oh right this isn't right? Because at this stage it's beyond belief how useless they are..but the more I think about it the more I think the limit doesn't exist

I'm surprised BoJo even has any supporters at this point.

It’s honestly so so embarrassing reading this thread and the same clowns saying “well they’re doing the best they could x” :facepalm:

Because being silent means being an enabler.

Look we are Stuck with this Mutant 70% Faster Covid-19
bad luck.


Never mind all the Turkeys stuck in Freezers
(in a Cornwall Tier 1 Butchers Live on SkyNewsHD
Business Report 10:35AM)

Honestly, I doubt there's anything that could change their minds. The right wing has a way of attracting cult like followings. We see it in America with Trump supporters and the GOP in general, and you see it here with the Tories.

Boris could go around stabbing people's nans and they'd still cheer him on by making out that at least it's not Labour doing the stabbing. It's insane, it's infuriating.

So be an enabler :shrug:

You said it yourself - nothing much is gonna change their minds, and the emotional labour of banging the same drum over and over -which they've probably heard elsewhere, also over and over- does neither of you any good.

Take the world off your shoulders, you'll be happier for it.

Nah, I have dignity.

I was thinking about you last night
You seem so angry these days, I think you are wound up tighter than a drum.

Stress is a killer, sometimes you just have to accept the world as it is.

agree so much there

i mean for some it will be a different christmas than normal, but everyone should also just try to relax and not focus on the news solely those few days, stay at home of course, but there are enough fun christmassy distractions on tv, streaming services are filled with great festive movies (Netflix for one has a bunch of older christmas movies acquired, and also few newer christmas movies)


ChristmasFromHome is a nice way to call it


let christmas feeling take our stress away these few days

I will never be an enabler.

I think Boris and government are doing their best.

It is not possible to prevent this pandemic as British people are not the sort to follow instructions (it’s not like China/Asian countries that blindlessly follow their leaders.. and in most cases (bar a global pandemic) it’s a good thing.

Every post is an expletive filled rant :laugh:

You are not being an enable when the things that are happening will happen regardless of your views.

If you keep shouting at the television the only thing that will happen is you will lose your voice to a sore throat.

There's nothing dignified about being "that guy" who keeps giving everyone a lecture. You're not gonna change anyone's minds, they'll just roll their eyes and wait for you to stop talking.

Except that can and does often work the other way too.

As I do when I see yet another defence of any indefensible incompetent action or non action by those with the power to enact said action.

Why should Dezzy however have to be expected to close down just to please extreme hard-line Tory supporters when they all dive in to support even dangerous action by their government.

Yes, they may never obviously change their stance.
However by the same token, WHY should others just leave unsaid what they think ought to be to point that out?
Just to suit them.

If people don't like what they see posted, then don't read it.
I eventually learned last year to watch myself carefully on here as to some, and not to respond much or at all to some because I'd find it impossible to likely reason with them.

There's even those I wouldn't even bother to read what they say, as I know what will be being spouted off by them.
Just as many on here will do with my posting, particularly on this rotten government.

However as long as I'm a member and permitted to be, I'm not going to shut up to please hard-line Tories.
Otherwise this is then no longer a forum.

He was saying he's sick of talking about it, so the solution is ... Don't talk about it :laugh:

none of us should underestimate the deep frustration that the majority of the world population is experiencing this YEAR. It's unprecedented, and we all have to have an outlet for it. A friendly argument on a public forum seems an ideal way to manage that I think

For the first time at our factory we're wearing masks.
I have two weeks holidays from today's.
Will be spending Christmas day alone, but I don't mind.
I have EastEnders to keep me company :laugh:

Thats Great Vanessa.


That M&S Fab Turkey Roast Dinner
I hope it's in stock for you.
I got one today, Sell by
Dec 26th.

Best to go Early
before its gets real busy.




Have a great break Vanessa
you have earned it.

Thank you!
And you :hee:

Thank you Vanessa for keeping us fed, :love: I am glad you guys are wearing masks should have happened sooner! have a great break, TiBB is here if you need to chat

Before we were wearing visors and snoods.
But they changed it to disposable masks.
It takes some getting used to.

Woop woop ...I'm off work cause my parts cant be delivered..no fault of my own so being paid an average days wage until all this lorry stuff is sorted..

Thank the lordy up above we have boris in charge, this could take ages.

Ness your Tibb family will be here so you can check in a few times on Christmas day :love:

Nah, I can get sick of saying things even to my family.
However I'll still say them, repeatedly too if necessary.