Two good short clips - back to basics this is what Brexit is about:

EVERYONE SIT DOWN. TAKE A VALIUM:

I NOW HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR JEREMY CORBYN THAN EITHER THAT SLIMY TRAITOR CAMERON OR HIS SNAKE-FACED, ASS LICKER OSBORNE.

There - said it - feel better. :hee:

They all sit behind closed doors studying this below to find ever more ways of FECKING US;

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...V_tDnijF1rpIl9

I'm with you on the percentages.

If there are lets say, less than 5% difference between them at the result, then how is that a mandate for being in the EU? I'm on the remain side of the fence, but to give away powers to a foreign group, there should be overwhelming support for it and it sure doesn't look like there is.

We can say fear could be the reason for a percentage of votes on either side, but I don't believe it influences the majority of voters. A significant number just don't want to be in the EU, and for me it neither bodes well for the future or gives being in the EU sufficient mandate.

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1: I know that you deliberated long and hard BOTS before opting to support 'Remain', but I have not been able to fault your very fair and reasoned posts.

Bump :wink:

the EU's model of socialism, has made poverty and unempolyment worse or as bad as post war europe, in greece the people their, still dream of the socialist life, like less hours to work, more pay, and early retirement, and yes, no cuts, and where does this money come from, well one country has to bail them out, and the debt gets higher, when thatcher said that the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money, it sums up in what the EU does, if britain had took the euro, we would be near the same situation as venezuela, norway and switzerland have better trade deals than what the eu gives us, switzerland did the right thing a few days ago and said only lunatics may want to join now, and threw out the application forum, I only wish are country did the same years ago.

Spiffing

Since when was the EU socialist. That's a ridiculous thing to believe.
Of course a socialist style government within the EU couldn't possibly work. It was bound to fail because it understated its deficit and so when Wall Street imploded in 2008, the money pot was empty.

By 'took the euro' do you mean give up our sterling for the euro?
If we had taken the euro we would more likely be in the same position as Greece. The best move we ever made was keeping the £.

War costs money...lots of money.
There is no such thing as austerity, only war.

We give away power to groups in general elections based on 35% of the vote so how is that better really? And in the EU our MEPs are elected on turnouts of less than 40% so you could say that is not a mandate. But ultimately we have to be pragmatic in these things. We also give away power to Nato but have never had a referendum on that. If Russia attacked Turkey that would mean we are obliged to go to war whether we want to or not yet the Leavers do not seem to share the same outrage there about our sovereignty. The reality is we pool sovereignty and the reality is that we have representatives carry out the tricky business of government because we as the public don't really want that burden.

while your points on Nato etc are well made, the difference in elections here is that even if they are in government on 35% of the vote, its for a finite period, and they are held to account by voters. Look no further than what happened to the lib dems. If we say we want to remain, that will be it for a generation, and it can only create serious internal issues if it doesn't have a mandate.

Lexit 'The Movie' (The Left case for leaving)

No thanks Boris.
I wouldn't believe very much Boris says at all.

Especially as a couple of years ago he said the opposite.

When asked whether he would vote to leave or remain in the European Union in the event of a referendum, Mr Johnson said he was "in favour" of staying in a single EU trading bloc.

He said he wanted to ensure good trade links with "our European friends and partners".

The interview, from three years ago, shows the former Mayor of London being fully supportive of a fundamental principle of the European Union.

"I'd vote to stay in the single market. I'm in favour of the single market," he told Sky News. "I want us to trade freely with our European friends and partners."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7089991.html

and your point is? he wants to be a trading partner but not the 10001 other lews rules open borders etc etc that strangle the life out of the economy and destroy our sovereignty

He changes his mind so often it is hard to work out what he really believes anyway, and so for me what he says is meaningless most of the time.

How will we fund that, we will have to pay to trade once out, that will strangle the economy. Could you explain what modern day sovereignty is and how it will be destroyed should we stay in?

you explain how you think eu economy is working? why youth unemployment is o ver 40% in several nations, why greece was destroyed? how does monetary policy work when you have no control over your own money? explain how open borders across all of europe pluss the schengen allows entry into europe fromt he middle east, how is that good for wages and safety and counter terrorism too? how do you catch illegal immigrants and terrorists with open borders and 500 odd million moving unchecked between 30 odd nations?? explain how its right for eu commissioners to open doors to corporate takeovers then immediately join the same corporation? how do you intend to counter those vested interests? insider dealing? im all ears........

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