Unlikely scenario, was probably too busy thinking about Danny ****ing her on a pile full of cash.

Didn't say he did, i said joel forced her it out of her when she said "talk about it in the morning" but no he wouldn't have it so he went on and on and forced her to talk about it,

could have being the operative term here, unless it becomes public knowledge that she genuinely apologised, explained herself and took her words back, I will continue to believe that she hasn't because it's not that hard of a stretch to think she hasn't, because let's face it, she's a bitch who apparently 'stands by her words' so yeah, she's trash.

Sarah didn't all out blame Joel for anything happening, she said the way he refused to say stop and the dressing up COULD be perceived as encouragement. Joel pursued her to tell him then and there whilst she was pissed AND probably upset for her best friend in the house. I'm glad Joel got the scolding either way even if Sarah didn't tread lightly because he's absolutely dire.

That's all I'll say as the likes of Hell/Marq get free passes round here for the things they say.

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The thing is, no-one is disagreeing with that fact, everyone here has said he forced her to express her opinion, it's just not his fault that she's a massive gob****e with the opinions of a sexist in the 50's.

She said that it would never happen to her, which is implying that being sexually assaulted is something you can control, and she literally told him that he encouraged it. Regardless of Joel forcing her to say her opinion or whatever, it's the ****tiest opinion to hold.

I didn't say what Sarah said was right, because it wasn't, but no way should Joel have come out unscathed from the incident because he provoked the whole thing

If your defence in defending someone is 'x said something worse, so y is okay!!' then, it's not a very good argument.

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If marc said that it would be 'banter' then he will get away with it

I love people's hatred of housemates getting in the way of what's right and wrong :flutter:

This is someone who calls women cumbuckets, pigs, tramps and randomly asks women if they're getting an STD test i.e. calling them *****s. But guess who was 'the most entertaining' of BB16?

The debate is pretty needless anyway at this point since no-one will be changing their views on their faves.

And I don't agree re. Sarah advocating sexual assault.. and if it was sexual assault, Aaron would've been arrested. Anyhow I can't really be arsed to go back to week 2 of BB16 again after having to go through it 2 month ago so. If you want my thoughts on that go read up on the threads.

Yes, I think our work here is done with this.

Who still has to write off their housemates?

I do but it's looking like I'll be doing it tonight again as I've got to prepare for people coming over, and Rex will be a big writeup no doubt.

Yeah mine will be quite late today as well, I can see Caroline being my longest write up so far if I properly get into it.

Ready to see her torn apart :flutter:

Lucas, you got rid of Caroline?

Yes, she's an absolutely grotesque human being with no redeemable qualities and this is coming from somebody who has a real bias when it comes to 'poshos'

1/3 of me likes Caroline for her moments of comedy. 2/3 of me hates her for her racist and bullying streak

ily :flutter:

She's lucky she was in a series with Conor otherwise she would literally be the worst person in BB13.

:clap1: One of the most awful HMs ever.

Caroline >

But yeah I'm heading back now and will hopefully get my writeup of Pepper done within the next couple of hours

Sarah is overrated as hell and as much as I hate Joel, she is a victim-shamer which is completely awful.

Other than her day 2 fight with Cristian, I really don't get the hype surrounding her. Her showmance with Danny was another thing that made the hype for her even more confusing.