brother im haven't questioned the validity of what you have said,nor have i stated that you were being bias in any way.infact i see the point your making..

fact remains,while i agree freddie shouldn't have got involved,he found something bea had said as hypocritic so he laughed... now while we can agree there may have been "no value for him going out there" you do realise if that was the reason he stayed out of it,that would be game playing?

so he stayed quiet until charlie got on his back,had that been me i think i would've had to move to him myself,charlies only reason for what he said to freddie was based on knowing how weak freddie is when it comes to settling disputes..

furthermore,charlie didnt see it as ganging up when him and kris had that game of hide and seek with freddie and picked him apart day by day...

anyways brother i understood and agree with what your saying.. so im not sure why you think i was challenging you but lets leave it there as i have to get going anyway...

But you didn't read my question properly. I stated that Charlie had an agenda and I called it an attack - I wasn't asking you to compare and contrast everyone. My question was why Freddie had to get involved.

Sure you could hear him talking in the bedroom about it prior to coming out; his words carried into the living room on a number of occassions. As far as I'm concerned there was no value in involving himself in their argument-so yes, on those grounds it was a silly move.

Apparently, Bea had told him off for his reaction the previous night, accused him of "having a tantrum" and said she would never react like that. That certainly helps explain Freddie's strangled laugh.

I wish BB would show Charlie when Bea was venting her spleen(sorry having her opinion) about Lisa and then David, she was horrible about them both

agreed,charlie seemed to think he was justified calling freddie out,saying what he had to say then dismissing him, charlie was right the night he told freddie of his scheming and plotting theory..

however tonight was just a quick squirmish to tenderise freddie's ego,to top it off he seemed to think wailing "just leave her alone,you got up to argue with her just leave her alone" constantly when it seemed freddie came out to speak to charlie to address the accusation of ganging up on bea..

the thing with this is,charlie may have played apart in this,but when he is evicted his interview will consist of davina gossiping as to the status of his relationship with rodders.. no mention of this shoddy treatment of freddie at any point i gaurantee..

Charlie just owned that entire situation.
Up till now I have had little interest in him other than enjoying some laughs when him and Rodrigo have fights,
but,
Wow. Charlie just came up massive and simply owned that entire night so skillfully, so honestly and his 'undressing' of Freddy has got to be one of the greatest moments of the week!

Marcus gets credit for knowing better than to push a hysterical devil-woman and was as meek as possible despite constantly wanting to veer off about his greatness,
and,
Bea is just an astonishing force of nature/ carnival nightmare / devil-child,
and,
Freddy (who was really the 'fish' to be reeled in by Beazulbub) is possibly the most annoying retarded bad dream,
but,,
Wow.. just massive new admiration for Charlie!
Simply owned that entire situation and handled it with total excellence!

Huge thanks for posting the links - Wow.. I remembered how exciting live-feed really is heh.

i didnt read your question properly?are you joking?actually dont worry..lets make this simple king..

i agree with you,you are right..

and i was not accusing you of bias,i have read back my post to see why you would think i was calling you out for doing so,and the only mention in my post was this "i hope this gets shown with no bias on tonights highlight show" .. i was not refering to you brother..

you raised a good point with it being a silly move on freddies part..perhaps we just have a slightly diffrent take on things,so i shall agree to disagree..


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Bea is really ugly when she "cries"...

And Charlie is so out to win. He sees Freddie as a rival but his attacked are having the reverse effect to what he wants: Freddie grow in popularity when he's the underdog.

The scenario you describe with Davina is accurate and depressing.

Charlie knows Freddie is popular and is desperate to win the show that is why at every opportunity he has a pop at Freddie, not saying that some of it is not justified, but the guy is an opportunist.

The other thing, does the **** draw a breath?


As for the arguement, gotta agree with the other poster who likened it to the rope-a-dope, yeah, she defeated herself, with the seed firmly planted that she will be disliked immensely on the outside, her paranoia is only going to get worse. Bea is a very unstable human being.

It was okay for her to tear Freddie to shreds the night previous, but when she gets a mild dose of her own medicine, it's VICTIM time.


I do hope they allow flour and eggs in to her eviction.

You were accusing me of bias from your tone and your defense of Freddie-referring to situations that had taken place over a month ago, along with examples from last night, to cement your claims- when I had never even suggested that one side was better or worse than the other.

lol your enthusiasm is compelling,but charlie owned the night?skillfully?honestly?
we may just be watching diffrent feeds,from where i sat i saw a very hyper ignorant twenty something guy mincing around attention whoring himself for the viewing public while doing nothing productive in the process..

my personal opinion is marcus handled bea with utmost care and respect and still managed to articulate his thoughts without so much of a raised voice or a curse word.. for me.. marcus owned the little witch of ellstreet.

okay lets just assume im not a liar or scared to tell you what i really feel?lets further assume we may not see eye to eye but if i disagree with you i am within my rights to do so right?

now forgive me for being blunt... but king.. i have agreed for the most part with everything you have said,and let me make this clear,I WAS NOT ACCUSING YOU OF FCK ALL..so kindly brother quit trolling as i do not wish to curse in my post again..

if i thought you were being bias,i would've said..i did not,so you can assume,that i was not accusing you of such a thing unless i say otherwise..

once again...





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Okay, so so far from what I've seen of the fight, Marcus says she is negative, Bea is saying she's not (when she clearly is) and Charlie is being a brown-noser and this should be his queue to bugger off somewhere else now. I thought it was hilarious when Freddie taunted her from the bedroom and Charlie decided to be the "big man". Has he forgotten what that bitch did to him the other day??

She's been crying for a good while but I've yet to see any tears. She is so ****ing hypocritical, she described Freddie's panic attack or whatever it was as a tantrum, but look at her now. She's gone off in a huff simply because Marcus did not back down and it is clear she's not getting her own way on this one, but she is expecting sympathy and Charlie is giving it to her. FÚCK OFF CHARLIE!!!

I feel, although I like freddie and Marcus, it would be best for Freddie to go i think, because they will just make mince of him if Marcus goes, and could even turn to Freddie having enough and just leaving. :sad:

And Marcus was so relaxed about it all. I think he was watching in bemusement as she worked herself up into a frenzy over it.

Never been a huge fan of Marcus but that's always one thing I've liked about him he never seems to get heated and lose his cool while trying to talk to someone even if the other person is having a real go.

But you obviously didn't read the question I posted intitially; instead you decided to air your own views on the entire topic rather than deal with what I had stated. Don't you see the silliness of that? Why feel the need to give me your interpretation of what transpired when I never said that Charlie was justified in his actions, or that Freddie was abominable?

When you did mention Freddie it was by comparing him to Charlie and Bea which, again, wasn't related to my original question. You also said I was being mean and that it was a knee jerk reaction on my part.... what reaction? What meaness? I was just talking about Freddie in this particular moment, where I do believe he involved himself in an argument that wasn't his own.

I just don't understand the reasoning behind your digressions when I had not asked for them and had really just posed a very innocent and straightforward question, with no trace of bias or aggression.

But you obviously didn't read the question I posted intitially; instead you decided to air your own views on the entire topic rather than deal with what I had stated. Don't you see the silliness of that? Why feel the need to give me your interpretation of what transpired when I never said that Charlie was justified in his actions, or that Freddie was abominable?

When you did mention Freddie it was by comparing him to Charlie and Bea which, again, wasn't related to my original question. You also said I was being mean and that it was a knee jerk reaction on my part.... what reaction? What meaness? I was just talking about Freddie in this particular moment, where I do believe he involved himself in an argument that wasn't his own.

I just don't understand the reasoning behind your digressions when I had not asked for them and had really just posed a very innocent and straightforward question, with no trace of bias or aggression.

Right just watched most of it and she is a fucking nasty vile cunt. Sorry, but anyone that supports her is a vile human being.

She deserves to get beaten up when she comes out, she's that fucking evil.

Jack, i feel your frustration, but thats a little strong, I don't like the witch at all, i'm just hoping she don't get any money out of this, because she sure don't deserve anything. Thing is she is going to be in the final week which is :mad:

No idea how someone could be that much of a hypocrite, it was fine for her to destroy Freddie about the exact same thing but when it happens to her she's being bullied.

At the end of the day, she started the argument by talking bad about Freddie. She called him a tool and twat during that argument; Freddie wasn't even there to defend himself during when she said that, so she got everything she deserved in my opinion.

brother you had this issue with me before,not watching a vt you had begged me too,whats it to you?you asked a question,and i read it,however your post was not towards me so i did not feel the need to answer it..

lol ill give you this one for free.. i was refering to charlie having a go at freddie based on his reaction,i was not calling you out as being mean to freddie lmao .. i understand why you may think i was refering to you..

but be clear,as i will not be exchanging wittisms with you in future,my reply to you was in no way meant to frustrate or rile you,infact i agreed with you and simply added a few of my own thoughts..

furthermore,my "tone" in any of my posts were not in any way trying to acuse you of bias.. take what im saying on face value and not on your interpretations of my posts in future..

freddie is a d/ck for obvious reasons