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MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:41 PM

[rquote=2615801&tid=147499&author=setanta]And all your surveys insisted that Marijuana itself isn't the cause of schitzophrenia; it can just aggravate anyone who has mental issues in the first place. The same can be said of all drugs and of many other things in life. [/rquote]

Erm.. BIG FAT NO!!!



Seriously dude. Don't be an idiot.

Read them.

Stu 30-09-2009 04:42 PM

Newsflash, pun intended, it was a study. Sky News reported the study. Thats there job. It's the news. Adam Boulton was not hitting bongs outside the studios all day, you moron.

The figures are in the link. Two recorded Cannabis related deaths. Ever. Anywhere. 150,000 DIRECT alcohol deaths. Every year. In the UK.

No escaping.

If you hates the guts out of Cannabis I could manage that, but the fact that you seem to think it is more dangerous than Alcohol makes me fear for the future. Are there really people like you in the world?

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:43 PM

[rquote=2615808&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]Newsflash, pun intended, it was a study. Sky News reported the study. Thats there job. It's the news. Adam Boulton was not hitting bongs outside the studios all day, you moron.

The figures are in the link. Two recorded Cannabis related deaths. Ever. Anywhere. 150,000 DIRECT alcohol deaths. Every year. In the UK.

No escaping.[/rquote]

Erm....


BIG FAT FAIL AT TRYING TO GO OFF ON A TANGENT BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COUNTER ARGUE THIS:


Here you go. Counter argue these.

I have posted studies - the height of your intelligence is posting videos uploaded by Stoners on Youtube. Well done.

Now - welcome to the big leagues.


Let's see if after asking for the 50th time you can counter argue all of this.


Here we go again - part 50. Let's see if you can do it. :thumbs:


[rquote=2608376&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]Let me start by saying, if you accept my view on things, fine, I will disappear.

If you abuse and insult and make out you know better without evidence, then I will return.

Well I don't know if it's your lack of knowledge, your ignorance to facts or your inability to answer and respond to questions that makes me laugh or in fact the videos you post from the pro cannabis council - or maybe it's your need to hurl insults and abuse that makes me laugh a lot.

For instance Probe Eight, you basically repeat yourself about he same thing. It can be responded with the simple answer as -

it's propoganda you're posting that has no relevance to the global problem and ignores it as well.

Those videos for instance. They are biassed. You do know that all those pro-cannabis websites don't have an iota of evidence for what they say.

While Setanta you think that if you put yourself forward as smart or intelligent then you can get away from answering questions, mainly by belittling the person you are responding to.

You seem to think the mental health problem is due to hydroponics but that's not true either because most people take Cannabis for it's high THC content and therefore need these types of strains to feel sedated and basically escape from their lives. All Cannabis has these problems (see small number of links below)

You do know that Portugal only legalised drugs because of the massive drug problem they had (which was causing problems for the economy) so they decided to tax insurance companies and create rehab treatment and other ventures to make money from addicts. People in rehab in Portugal is through the roof by the way - and this due to decriminalising of drugs - so it makes it easier to be an addict? Get it.

Portugal has stopped targeting drug dealers and instead just shove people into rehab. They are still there, it's just their life is easier - which... erm... is what I just told you? Yeah.

Please, join the dots. It's not hard.



I mean seriously, criminals will disappear because users will buy their stock from shops... erm... yeah... that will happen, I am sure... if you're naive that is. Wow...!

Anyway, cutting a long story short... I might as well just post some links for you to respond to.

Before you read them, realise that some people, in fact the vast majority of people have a life and they don't need drugs and you forget about the peopel who have families, friends and health systems who have to struggle due to drugs.

Go for it. It's liberty isn't it - not mine but at least I care. That's the difference between me and you.

Reply to these. Enjoy.

Cannabis alters DNA, lowers immunity, heightens disease risks

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1

Schizophrenia link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2407027.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4486548.stm

Marijuana withdrawal symptom

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...54701?verify=0

Rise in drug deaths due to Cannabis rise

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aths-rise.html

Problems with drug dealers and rise in crime due to downgrading

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...locked-up.html

Cannabis could kill thousands

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2995275.stm

Cannabis use, hundreds of deaths a year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ner-warns.html

Cannabis users five times more prone to violence

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1

Drug use spirals - review drug laws

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...944CBF228BDB97

Portugal's (and other country's) soft use on cannabis causes problems elsewhere

http://www.lca-uk.org/news/shownewsa...rticleid=14736

Problems in dealing with drug related problems

http://www.springerlink.com/content/m72755578r724363/

Decriminalisation in portugal leading to lowering of drug use is due to fiddling of statististics

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...893946,00.html

Portugal's rise in drug treatment rockets due to decriminilization

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/html.cfm/index35987EN.html

Marijuana withdrawal and nightmares

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...e5557b&t=95618

Rise in rehab due to cannabis downgrade

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ed-double.html

Problems with studying cannabis due to strains and mental health issues and side effects

http://www.parliament.the-stationery.../15107.htm#a12

Schizophrenia/psychosis and cannabis

http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=30

Problems with drug treatment with sex offenders due to legalisation in California

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/us/27parole.html?hp

Drug trafficking in Canada leads to Murder capital (take note of legalisation effects here!!)

http://www.vancouversun.com/farming+...138/story.html

Drug trouble in Canada's Paradise

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8231534.stm

Marijuana and testicular cancer

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb...he-marijuana16

Cannabis and suicide

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3953555.ece
http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes...es/s473102.htm
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...007061,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/405259.stm
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....s_suicide.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1156893.ece
http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/ha...ile.5260493.jp
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Hanged-man...ion.5276374.jp
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...C4FE611DDB7A19
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-suicide.html

Canada's Drug Crime rate due to decriminilising

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/cana.../10955301.html

Drug rehab for kids on cannabis

http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/n...A20%3A48%3A330
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ch...50-a-week.html
http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/marijuana-rehab

Addiction

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...addiction.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5946633.ece

Mental Illness

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...ts-397449.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bis-users.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0602160845.htm
http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1
http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1
http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...hosis_risk.xml
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml
http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/asp...articleid=2038
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...gy-440730.html
http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=27
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...a98f9ab41ded86
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llness-40.html
http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/ne...ned_by_police/
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...s@ntlworld.com
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...t/66/1/95?home

Dutch problems with Cannabis

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...SpG82yJ8piAGlg

California problems with cannabis

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...ion/oe-maher21

Drug dependency in newborns

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...t-1693502.html

Causal association between cannabis and psychosis
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/184/2/110


Slavery and Cannabis
http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-...farms-children

Cannabis overdose

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/new...46-23684609/2/

Pharmaceutical, clinically developed drug so no need to smoke cannabis for MS

http://www.pharmafocus.com/cda/focus...492783,00.html

Skunk Knife murderer

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...D6DE77E0635A80

Psychotic Cannabis user knifes policeman
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ath/article.do

Cannabis induced driver leaves girlfriend for dead

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html

More on pharmaceutical use of cannabis to stop "recreational use"
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...t-anymore.html

Man stabbed to death
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-brother.html

Portugal fall in crime rate is due to decriminilisation - problems still rife

http://www.addictionpro.com/ME2/dirm...B52AD812DC3644


Quote:

Although the report does not make this case itself, perhaps the most radical interpretation of comparative international data like this is that the specific penalties (or lack thereof) in place have less impact on drug use patterns (for better or worse) than we’re often inclined to think …

Drug peddling

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/44286...ne_by_bicycle/

"recreational" effects on family

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...-dealer-father

Drug enduced fatal accident

http://austriantimes.at/index.php?id=14004

Cannabis used as rape drug

http://www.3news.co.nz/News/National...4/Default.aspx

[/rquote]
I loved destroying you here the most by the way. I laughed so much and I didn't need any drugs to induce that. Honestly I didn't. THat might be hard to believe but I don't need drugs to have pleasure. It's just I've been brought up like that.


[rquote=2609906&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2609146&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]
Quote:

Maybe go to Portugal and see all the Cannabis sufferers in the rehab clinics the Government is making millions in tax from.
Maybe go to California, and take the Cannabis straight out of the hands of people suffering from a range of ailments, whose only grace and relief is Cannabis. Go on. Save the world. You hero, you.

I am not responsible for people smoking Cannabis going insane. The fact is, and make no mistake about it, this is a fact, anybody who wants Cannabis can get it. It's not hard. So make it legal, make it safer, and make it cleaner.

Quote:

They fuel an industry that exploits people by selling a drug to them
In addition to failing to respond to the actual FACT I had laid out that stated more people benefit from Cannabis, even on a recreational basis, than suffer from it, you also just provided an argument for legalization. Shot in the foot. Well done.

But wait ... whats this ... you think people would STILL risk going to dealers for cheaper Cannabis when they could GROW IT FOR FREE?

Says it all.

Quote:

All chronic users suffer from life long problems by the way. But you chose to ignore that.
Yes. Because it is not a verified scientific fact. ALL users? Bit of a bold claim, even by your standards.

BUT here is what kills poor old MassiveTruck off...

Quote:

You should really consider reading up on CBD, Cannabidiols, Canniboids and also THC too. Really know the difference man. Seriously.
CBD is Cannabidiol. THC and CBD are both Cannabinoids [as opposed to 'Canniboids']. Yet you mention all three as being EXCLUSIVE of one another. You really have no idea, do you?

Quote:

The lack of THC and the higher the CBD - means no sedation.
Wrong. High CBD creates Indica strains of the plant. Known for a high sedation and body stone. As opposed to Sativa strains where THC is more dominant, characterized by a more 'trippy' head high.

There are strains of Cannabis out there that provide no sedation at all. But what does it matter. You had no idea what CBD was to begin with, considering you mentioned it separately to both Cannabidiol and a Cannabinoid, even though CBD IS Cannabidiol and Cannabidiol IS A CANNABINOID.

And then you tell ME in the same sentence you formed around your errors to read up on it?

Your dead in the water. Post all the meaningless s*** you want back. Rational people still know a legal Cannabis market is safer than an illegal one. The amount of people who develop problems from Cannabis is a tiny fraction of the overall userbase. Most of these problems come from Cannabis that could be ended if it were made legal. A ****ing meerkat could understand that logic.

Enough of this mess. I am no longer wasting time arguing with a bully who loves to goad others into arguments to then make them feel terrible about themselves. Your remarks about sedation, THC and the other components of Cannabis prove to me you have no idea what you are talking about and you are currently in the process of schooling yourself about Cannabis just to make some people feel terrible about themselves.

So go ahead, post ANYTHING you like back. It matters not. Not after this...

Quote:

You should really consider reading up on CBD, Cannabidiols, Canniboids and also THC too. Really know the difference man. Seriously.
So we have four separate things, all of which I should know the difference between?

Now, over to your precious Wikipedia...

Quote:

Cannabidiol, also known as CBD, is a cannabinoid found in Cannabis.
Oh dear me! Your cover has just been blown! Post back with what you like, wind up merchant, but you have NO idea what you are talking about! Why should anybody bother to reply to your points? Your finished!

LOL! Now thats put me in the mood for a smoke!

[/rquote]


Hmm... You actually think people will grow enough Cannabis for themselves? That's illogical and not possible... That's why crime will rise 10 fold without it.

How many plants for how many spliffs? Do you see how it's impossible?

This is why crime will rise as crime (with the evidence I have shown you) has risen in Portugal, Canada, US and all across Europe to traffic in drugs to countries where it is legal...

Yeah? Come on...

I have given evidence for this but you're trying to make out there is truth to this.

I would love to know if you can actually reply to everything I posted instead of manipulating tit bits to make it sound like I got something wrong. Is that possible?

I mean, you just twisted something I said and said I was wrong (when I wasn't) and then said you're going to get a smoke.

Anywhere, here is a link regarding THC and the sedating effect to rubbish your misinformed view about sedation.

Enjoy... (I doubt)

This is from a BBC documentary. This is a showing a plant where they are removing "good products" from "certain cannabis plants" which have have Cannabinoid properties beneficial to medicinal gains.

You should really read up. READ UP... because in the real world, (away from the idiots writing on Wiki) people will laugh at you totally.

Read those links I posted. This is free advice. Nobody else will give it you.

Watch from 1:51 - this was on the BBC a while back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa6dX1Ok8rY&NR

Take note he talks about run of the mill Cannabis strains with anti-psychotic properties. Google this guy - he has studied Cannabis for years. Move on to where he is


Quote:

"as recreational cannabis plants are grown for higher THC content so their CBD content (medicinal properties!!!!) falls, simply because the plant is unable (operative word!!) to produce high level of both"
Read up.

Free advice. Because you haven't got a clue.

You have sidestepped a lot of what I have said and I have responded to you with evidence. Clear as it is.

Your views on California are flawed! Utterly.


[/rquote]

And...

[rquote=2610114&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]I've had enough.

There is evidence against everything you say.

You make out because Alcohol (which is legal, probably the reason why if you think about it) kills more people, then Cannabis should be legal.

No consideration for all the suicides, the terrorist opportunism and the countless problems with it.

Carry on.

If this is the beliefs you love. Enjoy.

Before I go - Some studies

Suicide and Cannabis by the way

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

Oh and a twins study with cannabis and suicide

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...act/61/10/1026

I love this one


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...85f36f697418a9

Quote:

Early-onset of cannabis use by females (but not for males) signaled excess risk for suicide ideation (RR = 2.9; p = 0.006).
You'll love this

http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/addi/abstract.00008514-200209000-00010.htm;jsessionid=K1YM1nD9kbqSXRsxFDPvgZhGf0R11 K2GYG2dVyr6SYjQKrb7nZld!-670034922!181195628!8091!-1

Quote:

Cannabis use, and particularly regular or heavy use, was associated with increased rates of a range of adjustment problems in adolescence/young adulthood-other illicit drug use, crime, depression and suicidal behaviours-with these adverse effects being most evident for school-aged regular users. The findings reinforce public health concerns about minimizing the use of cannabis among school-aged populations.
Oh erm... cannabinoids and suicide risk due to the endocannabinoid system - wow - it's in our brains already so it triggers suicide. WOW!

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c9ed575ac017af


Just before I go. You know, there are alike hundreds of studies like this. Studying suicide rates amongst cannabis users. Off the top of my head - that's like thousands, just for the studies. WOWZER!!!

Just a taster of what you're supporting.

Enjoy![/rquote]

setanta 30-09-2009 04:44 PM

[rquote=2615806&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615801&tid=147499&author=setanta]And all your surveys insisted that Marijuana itself isn't the cause of schitzophrenia; it can just aggravate anyone who has mental issues in the first place. The same can be said of all drugs and of many other things in life. [/rquote]

Erm.. BIG FAT NO!!!



Seriously dude. Don't be an idiot.

Read them.[/rquote]

I did, and they couldn't prove that cannabis caused the problem itself.

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:44 PM

[rquote=2615808&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]

If you hates the guts out of Cannabis I could manage that, but the fact that you seem to think it is more dangerous than Alcohol makes me fear for the future. Are there really people like you in the world?[/rquote]

Well there are people like you that can't read academic publications so is it hard to believe that people like me who care for social problems are in the world?

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:45 PM

[rquote=2615810&tid=147499&author=setanta][rquote=2615806&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615801&tid=147499&author=setanta]And all your surveys insisted that Marijuana itself isn't the cause of schitzophrenia; it can just aggravate anyone who has mental issues in the first place. The same can be said of all drugs and of many other things in life. [/rquote]

Erm.. BIG FAT NO!!!



Seriously dude. Don't be an idiot.

Read them.[/rquote]

I did, and they couldn't prove that cannabis caused the problem itself. [/rquote]

Stop lying.

Seriously... it just shows how little character you have.

Here's what you need to do - take every link and counter argue it. OK?

Write it out here. Just saying it doesn't help.

Go on. There's a good boy.

setanta 30-09-2009 04:46 PM

[rquote=2615811&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615808&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]

If you hates the guts out of Cannabis I could manage that, but the fact that you seem to think it is more dangerous than Alcohol makes me fear for the future. Are there really people like you in the world?[/rquote]

Well there are people like you that can't read academic publications so is it hard to believe that people like me who care for social problems are in the world?[/rquote]

You're incredible. Did you read the other part of his comments or just fly through it, merely scanning for items you can use in your attacks?

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:47 PM

Tell you what...

I have to go to a life without drugs.

I'll come back to copy and paste the stuff you haven't replied to again? OK.

There you go because I know you can't counter argue facts so... Giggle Giggle. :xyxwave::xyxwave:

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:48 PM

[rquote=2615815&tid=147499&author=setanta][rquote=2615811&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615808&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]

If you hates the guts out of Cannabis I could manage that, but the fact that you seem to think it is more dangerous than Alcohol makes me fear for the future. Are there really people like you in the world?[/rquote]

Well there are people like you that can't read academic publications so is it hard to believe that people like me who care for social problems are in the world?[/rquote]

You're incredible. Did you read the other part of his comments or just fly through it, merely scanning for items you can use in your attacks?[/rquote]

Erm... yes... it's up there :conf::conf:

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Your problem is and it's a big fat problem YOU DON'T READ THE BLOODY POSTS PEOPLE MAKE SO YOU LOOK LIKE A MUPPET!!

Stu 30-09-2009 04:48 PM

Yep, I can counter argue each and every one of them. I already did. But for the sake of humoring myself...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...2-45-25-pm.png

Why dont you expand your Google search past ''Cannabis Apocalypse'' and try something along the lines of ''Drug deaths per annum'' or ''drug related social cost comparison''? If Cannabis is rated higher than Alcohol, you win a medal. Two.

And for added insult...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...k-of-death.jpg

Now copy and paste your studies and tests back in the exact same fashion as before, blatantly ignoring the bigger picture. God forbid.


MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:50 PM

[rquote=2615820&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]Yep, I can counter argue each and every one of them. I already did. But for the sake of humoring myself...


[/rquote]

No you haven't

Not at all.

You're trying to hide behind Cannabis Deaths and Alcohol Deaths which is because I have asked you something you fail to respond to.

Carry on.

You know I've got you and I've got you baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!! :laugh2::laugh2:

setanta 30-09-2009 04:50 PM

This is hysterical.... that video you posted is basically echoing everything that my vid alluded to. Talks about THC and CBD. Do you even watch them?

The scientist in your video is stating the exact same thing. You're actually a right wally.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa6dX1Ok8rY&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cAF..._embedded#t=60

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:52 PM

[rquote=2615820&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]
Now copy and paste your studies and tests back in the exact same fashion as before, blatantly ignoring the bigger picture. God forbid.

[/rquote]

Yes your bigger picture of "nobody dies but lets **** them up with drugs instead WOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

How utterly pathetic. Well done..

BTW I have already posted that people die due to excess poisoning of chemicals (links and evidence given) and also from tobacco and also from suicide due to mental health problems. Evidence given.... which

You ignore. You lie about not seeing. It's there - so counter argue man. Go for it. See if you can understand it. Come on.

All you say I have already answered

Let me say that again - all you say I have already answered.

To prove me wrong - counter argue every piece of evidence given.

Counter argue it boy. Counter argue it....

Go for it.


Stu 30-09-2009 04:53 PM

[rquote=2615825&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615820&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]Yep, I can counter argue each and every one of them. I already did. But for the sake of humoring myself...


[/rquote]

No you haven't

Not at all.

You're trying to hide behind Cannabis Deaths and Alcohol Deaths which is because I have asked you something you fail to respond to.

Carry on.

You know I've got you and I've got you baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!! :laugh2::laugh2:[/rquote]
I am not hiding behind anything. Alcohol kills more people than Cannabis. Alcohol causes more harm than Cannabis. It is a fact of life. I dont need seven hundred links to prove my point. It is there in simple figures.

Now do you want to say again Cannabis is more dangerous than alcohol? Of course you do.

This is the most lolTACTIC thread ever! :dazzler:

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:53 PM

[rquote=2615826&tid=147499&author=setanta]This is hysterical.... that video you posted is basically echoing everything that my vid alluded to. Talks about THC and CBD. Do you even watch them?

The scientist in your video is stating the exact same thing. You're actually a right wally.[/rquote]

This just backs up the case you know eff all because you don't understand it.

Well done.

You're just a naive and also idiotic lefty liberal who can't understand anybody who uses big words - it's why it takes you ages to respond and that for only one sentence too.

Stu 30-09-2009 04:54 PM

[rquote=2615829&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615820&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]
Now copy and paste your studies and tests back in the exact same fashion as before, blatantly ignoring the bigger picture. God forbid.

[/rquote]

Yes your bigger picture of "nobody dies but lets **** them up with drugs instead WOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

How utterly pathetic. Well done..

BTW I have already posted that people die due to excess poisoning of chemicals (links and evidence given) and also from tobacco and also from suicide due to mental health problems. Evidence given.... which

You ignore. You lie about not seeing. It's there - so counter argue man. Go for it. See if you can understand it. Come on.

All you say I have already answered

Let me say that again - all you say I have already answered.

To prove me wrong - counter argue every piece of evidence given.

Counter argue it boy. Counter argue it....

Go for it.

[/rquote]
Tobacco is a different drug. People mix it with weed, yes, but not everybody does. In fact, I think it is rather unpleasant.

Nobody commits suicide due to alcohol, of course. Certainly far less than Cannabis. Alcohol ... causing suicide? What an insane idea!

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:55 PM

[rquote=2615830&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2615825&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615820&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]Yep, I can counter argue each and every one of them. I already did. But for the sake of humoring myself...


[/rquote]

No you haven't

Not at all.

You're trying to hide behind Cannabis Deaths and Alcohol Deaths which is because I have asked you something you fail to respond to.

Carry on.

You know I've got you and I've got you baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!! :laugh2::laugh2:[/rquote]
I am not hiding behind anything. Alcohol kills more people than Cannabis. Alcohol causes more harm than Cannabis. It is a fact of life. I dont need seven hundred links to prove my point. It is there in simple figures.

Now do you want to say again Cannabis is more dangerous than alcohol? Of course you do.

This is the most lolTACTIC thread ever! :dazzler:[/rquote]

And I'm telling you, I've already counter argued this in those links. If you read those links you'll see you've been owned about 10 or 20 times already in this thread.

What is wrong with you?

You just think becuase you say something it's true? Why are you so arrogant? Why are you so egotistical?

Why do you think links from Comedy websites are appropriate?


MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:55 PM

[rquote=2615833&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2615829&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615820&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]
Now copy and paste your studies and tests back in the exact same fashion as before, blatantly ignoring the bigger picture. God forbid.

[/rquote]

Yes your bigger picture of "nobody dies but lets **** them up with drugs instead WOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

How utterly pathetic. Well done..

BTW I have already posted that people die due to excess poisoning of chemicals (links and evidence given) and also from tobacco and also from suicide due to mental health problems. Evidence given.... which

You ignore. You lie about not seeing. It's there - so counter argue man. Go for it. See if you can understand it. Come on.

All you say I have already answered

Let me say that again - all you say I have already answered.

To prove me wrong - counter argue every piece of evidence given.

Counter argue it boy. Counter argue it....

Go for it.

[/rquote]
Tobacco is a different drug. People mix it with weed, yes, but not everybody does. In fact, I think it is rather unpleasant.

Nobody commits suicide due to alcohol, of course. Certainly far less than Cannabis. Alcohol ... causing suicide? What an insane idea![/rquote]

Oh God. Your responses are so stupid. You even attempt to change Cannabis culture too...

COUNTER ARGUE IT

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? NO UNDERSTANDING THE ENGLISH?

Stu 30-09-2009 04:56 PM

Quote:

October 2 2008

"Cannabis Prohibition" Causes More Harm Than Cannabis: Report

Of particular note are the crippling social harms arising from arrest and imprisonment.

The report concludes "Policies that control cannabis, whether draconian or liberal, appear to have little impact on the prevalence of consumption."

The authors suggest there is evidence that "the current system of cannabis regulation is not working, and ... there needs to be a serious rethink if we are to minimise the harms caused by cannabis use," which would back up former ACMD Chairman Professor Sir Michael Rawlins and the recommendations he gave at the request of the Home Secretary back in March 2008.

According to the report, there are now more than 160 million users of the drug worldwide and at face value that would seem to be enough proof that cannabis is not a fraction of the social issue which comes as a by-product of alcohol abuse.

Which suggests perhaps the further criminalisation of responsible adults who choose to consume cannabis in the privacy of their own homes, is a needless and senseless move on the part of the Home Office?

According to a joint poll run in conjunction with the United Nations and the World Health Organisation (WHO) recently, almost half the population of the United States (41%) admits experimenting with cannabis, and yet psychosis statistics in the US run close to those in the UK at around 1% of the population. which disproves the Home Office and its primary reason for upping the classification of cannabis.

"Although cannabis can have a negative impact on health, including mental health, in terms of relative harms it is considerably less harmful than alcohol or tobacco." A conclusion reached recently by respected medical journal "The Lancet", which found nicotine and alcohol to be far more of a social issue in terms of real harms caused, than cannabis, heroin or cocaine.

"Historically, there have only been two deaths worldwide attributed to cannabis(citation needed), whereas alcohol and tobacco together are responsible for an estimated 150,000 deaths per annum in the UK alone," and this according to governments own figures.

In the United States currently, which is the undoubted world benchmark when it comes to cannabis abuse, 1 in 99 US citizens is in prison for a cannabis charge of some sort, adding weight to the argument against draconian laws against cannabis and its users.

*Do you agree with the reclassification of cannabis? Or do you disagree?

Vernon Coaker was one of the first Cabinet ministers to admit his own cannabis experimentations as a student, and yet today he is a prime mover in the government’s attempts to get cannabis reclassified to a class B drug which brings with it more court appearances, higher fines, and longer prison sentences simply for having a small amount of cannabis in your possession.

setanta 30-09-2009 04:56 PM

[rquote=2615832&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615826&tid=147499&author=setanta]This is hysterical.... that video you posted is basically echoing everything that my vid alluded to. Talks about THC and CBD. Do you even watch them?

The scientist in your video is stating the exact same thing. You're actually a right wally.[/rquote]

This just backs up the case you know eff all because you don't understand it.

Well done.

You're just a naive and also idiotic lefty liberal who can't understand anybody who uses big words - it's why it takes you ages to respond and that for only one sentence too.[/rquote]

No, I'm just watching the video and laughing at you for posting it. Hysterical stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cAF..._embedded#t=60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa6dX1Ok8rY&NR

They're talking about the strains of the drug that are produced for general consumption with are packed with THC. And as for the sitting down and doing nothing, people will use anything to do that.... tv, alcohol, eating you name it. Really really vague end to it with no stats to go with it. As the narrator said, cases of psychosis are extremely RARE.

Stu 30-09-2009 04:57 PM

[rquote=2615836&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615833&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2615829&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615820&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]
Now copy and paste your studies and tests back in the exact same fashion as before, blatantly ignoring the bigger picture. God forbid.

[/rquote]

Yes your bigger picture of "nobody dies but lets **** them up with drugs instead WOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

How utterly pathetic. Well done..

BTW I have already posted that people die due to excess poisoning of chemicals (links and evidence given) and also from tobacco and also from suicide due to mental health problems. Evidence given.... which

You ignore. You lie about not seeing. It's there - so counter argue man. Go for it. See if you can understand it. Come on.

All you say I have already answered

Let me say that again - all you say I have already answered.

To prove me wrong - counter argue every piece of evidence given.

Counter argue it boy. Counter argue it....

Go for it.

[/rquote]
Tobacco is a different drug. People mix it with weed, yes, but not everybody does. In fact, I think it is rather unpleasant.

Nobody commits suicide due to alcohol, of course. Certainly far less than Cannabis. Alcohol ... causing suicide? What an insane idea![/rquote]

Oh God. Your responses are so stupid. You even attempt to change Cannabis culture too...

COUNTER ARGUE IT

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? NO UNDERSTANDING THE ENGLISH?[/rquote]
Why cant YOU counter argument, bitch? Cannabis causes suicide, sure. But so does alcohol. Way more, in fact. Thats common sense.

MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:57 PM

[rquote=2615837&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]
Quote:

October 2 2008

"Cannabis Prohibition" Causes More Harm Than Cannabis: Report

Of particular note are the crippling social harms arising from arrest and imprisonment.

The report concludes "Policies that control cannabis, whether draconian or liberal, appear to have little impact on the prevalence of consumption."

The authors suggest there is evidence that "the current system of cannabis regulation is not working, and ... there needs to be a serious rethink if we are to minimise the harms caused by cannabis use," which would back up former ACMD Chairman Professor Sir Michael Rawlins and the recommendations he gave at the request of the Home Secretary back in March 2008.

According to the report, there are now more than 160 million users of the drug worldwide and at face value that would seem to be enough proof that cannabis is not a fraction of the social issue which comes as a by-product of alcohol abuse.

Which suggests perhaps the further criminalisation of responsible adults who choose to consume cannabis in the privacy of their own homes, is a needless and senseless move on the part of the Home Office?

According to a joint poll run in conjunction with the United Nations and the World Health Organisation (WHO) recently, almost half the population of the United States (41%) admits experimenting with cannabis, and yet psychosis statistics in the US run close to those in the UK at around 1% of the population. which disproves the Home Office and its primary reason for upping the classification of cannabis.

"Although cannabis can have a negative impact on health, including mental health, in terms of relative harms it is considerably less harmful than alcohol or tobacco." A conclusion reached recently by respected medical journal "The Lancet", which found nicotine and alcohol to be far more of a social issue in terms of real harms caused, than cannabis, heroin or cocaine.

"Historically, there have only been two deaths worldwide attributed to cannabis(citation needed), whereas alcohol and tobacco together are responsible for an estimated 150,000 deaths per annum in the UK alone," and this according to governments own figures.

In the United States currently, which is the undoubted world benchmark when it comes to cannabis abuse, 1 in 99 US citizens is in prison for a cannabis charge of some sort, adding weight to the argument against draconian laws against cannabis and its users.

*Do you agree with the reclassification of cannabis? Or do you disagree?

Vernon Coaker was one of the first Cabinet ministers to admit his own cannabis experimentations as a student, and yet today he is a prime mover in the government’s attempts to get cannabis reclassified to a class B drug which brings with it more court appearances, higher fines, and longer prison sentences simply for having a small amount of cannabis in your possession.
[/rquote]


Oh a post from another pro-drug dealer Cannabis website...

Right...


Do you even learn.

COUNTER ARGUE IT
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MassiveTruck 30-09-2009 04:59 PM

[rquote=2615840&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]
Why cant YOU counter argument, bitch? Cannabis causes suicide, sure. But so does alcohol. Way more, in fact. Thats common sense.[/rquote]

Why can't I counter argument? I can't do something that is a noun.

You mean counter argue right - oh....

You know what I find funny about what you say, I back up the fact that people commit suicide due to Cannabis and you say oh but people die form alcohol too.

So, basically we should ban them all but in your nice caring world - you say let them all die as long as we legalise Cannabis.

No wonder you smoke the stuff. You can't see the wood for the trees.

Stu 30-09-2009 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.

Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.

Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.

Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.

Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and social damage a substance may do.

Source: Jack E. Henningfield, PhD for NIDA, Reported by Philip J. Hilts, New York Times, Aug. 2, 1994 "Is Nicotine Addictive? It Depends on Whose Criteria You Use." See, http://drugwarfacts.org/addictiv.htm


2. Deaths from the two substances. There are hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths each year, yet there has never been a marijuana overdose death in history. The consumption of alcohol is also the direct cause of tens of thousands of deaths in the U.S. each year.

In 2001, there were 331 alcohol overdose deaths and 0 marijuana overdose deaths. Source: U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC). http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5337a2.htm

Excessive alcohol consumption is the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States (1) and is associated with multiple adverse health consequences, including liver cirrhosis, various cancers, unintentional injuries, and violence.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control reported 20,687 “alcohol-induced deaths” (excluding accidents and homicides) in 2003. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm

The CDC has no reports of “marijuana-induced deaths.” (In reality, there may be 2-5 deaths each year attributed to marijuana, but this article -- http://bbsnews.net/bw2005-02-01.html -- describes how these are actually deaths attributable to other causes but “blamed” on marijuana due to the way the data is collected.)


3. Alcohol is one of the most toxic drugs, and using just 10 times what one would use to get the desired effect can lead to death. Marijuana is one of – if not the – least toxic drugs, requiring thousands times the dose one would use to get the desired effect to lead to death. This “thousands times” is actually theoretical, since there has never been a recorded case of marijuana overdose.

The most toxic recreational drugs, such as GHB (gamma-hydroxybutyrate) and heroin, have a lethal dose less than 10 times their typical effective dose. The largest cluster of substances has a lethal dose that is 10 to 20 times the effective dose: These include cocaine, MDMA (methylenedioxymethamphetamine, often called "ecstasy") and alcohol. A less toxic group of substances, requiring 20 to 80 times the effective dose to cause death, include Rohypnol (flunitrazepam or "roofies") and mescaline (peyote cactus). The least physiologically toxic substances, those requiring 100 to 1,000 times the effective dose to cause death, include psilocybin mushrooms and marijuana, when ingested. I've found no published cases in the English language that document deaths from smoked marijuana, so the actual lethal dose is a mystery. My surmise is that smoking marijuana is more risky than eating it but still safer than getting drunk.

Despite the health risks and social costs, consciousness-altering chemicals have been used for centuries in almost all cultures. So it would be unrealistic to expect that all types of recreational drug use will suddenly cease. Self-management of these substances is extremely difficult, yet modern Western societies have not, in general, developed positive, socially sanctioned rituals as a means of regulating the use of some of the less hazardous recreational drugs. I would argue that we need to do that.

Source: The American Scientist, the Magazine of Sigma Xi, the Scientific Research Society. http://www.americanscientist.org/tem...50773?&print=y


4. Long-term marijuana use is far less harmful than long-term alcohol use.

There is little evidence, however, that long-term cannabis use causes permanent cognitive impairment, nor is there is any clear cause and effect relationship to explain the psychosocial associations.

There are some physical health risks, particularly the possibility of damage to the airways in cannabis smokers. Overall, by comparison with other drugs used mainly for ‘recreational’ purposes, cannabis could be rated to be a relatively safe drug.

Source: Iversen, Leslie. Current Opinion in Pharmacology. Volume 5, Issue 1, February 2005, Pages 69-72. Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis. University of Oxford, Department of Pharmacology.


5. The United Kingdom's Science and Technology Select Committee considers alcohol far more harmful than marijuana.

The committee commissioned an assessment of 20 legal and illegal stimulants in order to bring some logic to the country’s drug classification. Based on this study, they made recommendations to the government, including a recommendation that alcohol be considered among the most harmful drugs. Cannabis was considered significantly less harmful. (See chart below.) As you can see in the chart below, cannabis was recently rescheduled in the UK and is now a Class C substance (with A being the most harmful).

6. There has never been a documented case of lung cancer in a marijuana-only smoker, and recent studies find that marijuana use is not associated with any type of cancer. The same cannot be said for alcohol, which has been found to contribute to a variety of long-term negative health effects, including cancers and cirrhosis of the liver.

It could be interesting to note in the chart the difference between what people usually consider the most likely serious harms associated with marijuana and alcohol. While there has never been a documented case of lung cancer in a marijuana-only smoker, there are clearly thousands of deaths by liver disease directly associated with alcohol – 12,360 in 2003, to be exact. [See, http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm . Note also on this page that “alcoholic liver disease” is a separate category from “alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides.” Thus the 20,687 cited in #2 (as “deaths from alcohol consumption” could easily be 33,047.]

7. Studies find alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic violence and sexual assault and marijuana use does not.

Of the psychoactive substances examined, among individuals who were chronic partner abusers, the use of alcohol and cocaine was associated with significant increases in the daily likelihood of male-to-female physical aggression; cannabis and opiates were not significantly associated with an increased likelihood of male partner violence.

…the odds of any male-to-female physical aggression were more than 8 times (11 times) higher on days when men drank than on days of no alcohol consumption. The odds of severe male-to-female physical aggression were more than 11 times (11 times) higher on days of men’s drinking than on days of no drinking. Moreover, in both samples, over 60% of all episodes occurred within 2 hours of drinking by the male partner. (page 1557)

Source: Fals-Stewart , William, James Golden, Julie A. Schumacher. Journal of Addictive Behaviors. 28, pages 1555-1574. Intimate partner violence and substance use: A longitudinal day-to-day examination. Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo, State University of New York


8. Studies find alcohol use contributes to aggressive behavior and acts of violence, whereas marijuana use reduces the likelihood of violent behavior.

Alcohol is clearly the drug with the most evidence to support a direct intoxication-violence relationship.

Cannabis reduces likelihood of violence during intoxication…

Source: Hoaken, Peter N.S., Sherry H. Stewart. Journal of Addictive Behaviors. 28, pages 1533-1554. Drugs of abuse and the elicitation of human aggressive behavior. Dept. of Psychology, University of Western Ontario. Dept. of of Psychiatry, Dalhousie University.


9. Alcohol use is highly associated with violent crime, whereas marijuana use is not.

About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking at the time of the offense.

Two-thirds of victims who suffered violence by an intimate (a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend) reported that alcohol had been a factor.

Among spouse victims, 3 out of 4 incidents were reported to have involved an offender who had been drinking.

Source: U.S. Department of Justice. Bureau of Justice Statistics. National Crime Victimization Survey 2002.


10. Alcohol use is a catalyst for domestic violence in Denver.

Alcohol is involved in nearly 50 percent of all domestic violence cases in Denver, and the use of alcohol by the perpetrator is a predominant factor in fatal cases of domestic violence.

Marijuana is not mentioned as a correlating or causal factor in cases of domestic violence in Denver.

Source: Abrams, Margaret L., Joanne Belknap, Heather C. Melton. When Domestic Violence Kills: The Formation and Findings of the Denver Metro Domestic Violence Fatality Review Committee. March 2001.


11. Alcohol use is prevalent in cases of sexual assault and date rape on college campuses. Marijuana use is not considered a contributing factor in cases of sexual assault and date rape, as judged by the lack of discussion of marijuana in sexual assault and date rape educational materials.

A Harvard School of Public Heath study found that 72 percent of college rapes occurred when the female was too intoxicated by alcohol to resist/consent. Source: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cas/Docu...-pressRelease/

Comparisons between alcohol and marijuana with respect to sexual assault are very difficult. This is because it does not appear as if marijuana is a significant contributing factor. The best way to "prove" this is through observation that many organizations dedicated to studying and educating about sexual assault do not list marijuana as a substance associated with incidents. Here is a good example from the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network: http://www.rainn.org/types-of-assaul...d-assault.html

Note their description of alcohol: "Alcohol is the most commonly used chemical in drug facilitated sexual assault. In large part this is due to the fact that alcohol is easily accessible and a chemical that many people use in social interactions." Given the fact that marijuana is also "easily accessible" and used widely in "social interactions," it is quite telling that marijuana is not even listed at all on this "Drug Facilitated Assault" page.

Another example: A Web site sponsored by the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services lists alcohol, but not marijuana, as putting a person at risk for unwanted or risky sexual activity: http://www.4woman.gov/faq/rohypnol.htm#5




OUCH!

setanta 30-09-2009 05:02 PM

He's not listening Probe. Not worth it. And we haven't even gotten into the benefits of the drug.


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