I would like that.

getting your voice heard is a win situation. A life full of apathy and regrets is a lose situation. I life where you resent the fact that your tax dollars are helping kids getting an education is a lose lose situation. Wishing that student pay for a uni education and thereby ensuring only the wealthiest kids get that education is, on a broader social level, a lose to the power of lose situation.

"the internet says no"
http://befanina.files.wordpress.com/...r-says-no1.jpg

If students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime, so it is up to the students concerned not to waste their time (and money) studying useless and pointless subjects for degrees that no employer wants. If they persist in doing so, for whatever reasons (usually because it's a soft option) that's their tough luck.

"f students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime"

and therefore paying buckets loads of tax AND providing services that society need. The tax that they will pay far outweighs the cost of the education. Tax payer wins...what are you moaning about? This point has been already made. Please read the post before making old points.

True. They said Students who study "Art" won't be earning much in the long run or something? But if you study something like "Maths" you will possibly earn a lot of money! Depending on your degree grade. If you just scrape a 2:2 or something you will be struggling to find a decent paid job when another graduate with a 2:1 or a 1st will be competing for the same job too!

However if you are good at Art you might as well be self employed. Draw and paint your own pictures/canvases and sell them off. You could end up earning a few hundered quid for each one.

However Angus.. If people don't choose to go to uni.. they will try and find a job in which there is limited amount of jobs going. There is also limited amount of apprentices going nowadays.

Also on the worthwhile degree courses they can only take so many people!

A lot of people are going to miss out and will end up on the dole taking ages to try and find a job or something!

"but out of interest arista what are your views on the tuition fee increase? "

There is no other way
and the poor are not paying that much.

Labour , if in power, would carry on with Trident
so no other money is there.

Ch4 News is on now

Sticking to party line I see! The money is there though... the current system can be afforded, even if the Cons do what to get rid of the deficit as soon as they plan.

SkyNews just confirmed 32 students arrested.

Smash the system!

We are in a Conservative-LibDem Power , first off.
And under current plans to rid us of the massive Labour Debt
and Interest we have to pay on it, there is no other way.

Nick Clegg &
David Cameron are doing better for us all.


You do not know it yet.

Yes - But you need Men for that.
Not Kids

As I said on another thread, my 21 year old son is streets ahead on the career ladder, having opted NOT to go to uni after his A levels, and most of his mates who have recently graduated are still unemployed. Seems that sometimes the university of life is a much better option.

Never a truer word. Where do these students get their misplaced sense of entitlement from FFS? It's always someone else who is expected to pick up the tab. Not a good idea to get yourself a criminal record before you've even got your degree:rolleyes:

Well Done Ch4 News Live
telling the NUS Leader Porter, in the studio,
that No Student Pays Up Front.

No, instead we pay for 60 years for trying to better ourselves and generally give back to society.

I think it is a better option, i decided to go to uni, but i know loads of graduates who don't have a job or are in a dead end job. Whereas in a year one of my friends is now a manager at a retail store and ready to be promoted further up the chain. Her life is pretty much set now, whereas mine is still in limbo. Considering leaving uni and going out into the world of work.

It is really arrogant to suggest that only people with degrees "give back to society" - there are plenty of hardworking, contributing citizens who are indispensible to society who either never had the opportunity to go to university, or prudently decided not to do so and instead go straight out to work.

Not everyone is paing back for 60years
not everyone will be earning 21K.

You are so Negative.


You are in a Great Nation.

In China , for example ,
you could not even talk in a Free way.

Sorry, I hope it didn't come across that I was ignoring the fact your made. But I also think it is really ignorant to see students/graduates as scroungers who go into education to party for three years. It is work to you know.

Judas
do you have a View on the Ex-Labour
trouble maker
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...94#post3903694

Nothing to do with this,
but I thought your viewpoint would be valid,
if you have the time.

It is not necessary to go to university in order to better yourself - I never had the option to go when I left school, my family were not well off and I felt the need to contribute to their finances so I went out to work, straight after my O'levels. I trained on the job and was earning a good salary by the time I was 21. I then took a few years out to travel, which was in itself educational, since I acquired a couple of languages fluently in the process, as well as broadening my mind, attitudes, opinions etc.

Then when my children were small, I started studying with the Open University and ended up eventually with a BA(Hons), a BSc(Hons) a PGCE (Primary) and several diplomas, all achieved whilst also holding down a full time job as a legal executive, (trained on the job), and caring for my family. So you see, you can better yourself whenever you want if you have the commitment and drive to do so, without expecting others to fund YOUR choice to go into further education.

Furthermore, this obsession with academic qualifications is unhealthy, since some people are more suited to practical, hands on work and there should be more apprenticeships to fill the need for electricians, plumbers, construction workers etc.

I'm talking about the ones rioting at the demonstrations, they're the sort of people who go for the alcohol and parties, of course there is people who actually study, and probably are the ones who actually don't make too much of a fuss

Good. People undervalue education and take it for granted. Its about time people realised the worth of what they're doing or what they want to do.

Because smashing windows and climbing onto the roof of Millbank Tower is exactly the right message to be sending out about students. I can't wait until these people are practicing barristers in the Crown Courts. Qualifications only get you so far. Whats the point in getting a degree in Psychology or Law and then going to work in a call centre like loads of graduates do? Most degrees are becoming worthless because they're becoming standard. These price hikes are going to give them some value again because people will only go if they have to. Unless going into a job in a specific field that has been studied in, a graduate is in no better position than a college leaver in terms of full time work.

I don't have a problem if people actually want to do something with their degree but people who go for the sake of it or because its expected are just a pointless waste of money and resources. Besides, student loans are paid back at pennies per week when you earn over a certain threshold, its not bank breaking stuff, most people don't even notice its gone from their wages. I don't watch Deal or No Deal either thanks, I've got a full time job and I'm studying for a degree that I plan to do something with. I pay for mine in full because its with OU, I won't be graduating with any debt and i'm more than happy to pay because its in the field I want to work in.