Originally Posted by Glenn (Post 5012907)

My friend can.

And he doesn't make a penny for it. Hardly a fraud :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Glenn (Post 5012907)

My friend can.

And he doesn't make a penny for it. Hardly a fraud :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5012887)

Yes - Mediums/Psychics are frauds. They can't do anything that people with training can do.

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think I've rubbished anyone who has claimed to believe in such things. I think I've challenged their positions, but people don't have the right to go through life without being offended. I also remember stating they were victims in this whole scenario, and they were being fleeced. That is a far cry from mocking people who believe it. I tell you what I have done, though. I've tried to provide evidence and theories for this whole subject.

I don't believe in the laws of physics in the same way I don't believe in the sun. It just is. They are part of our universe. I'm not a theoretical physicist, but I am a science geek. I don't need to know every discipline of the scientific process, but I'm confident in those who do work in this field. My confidence is ensured, through the constant using of the scientific method.
I wouldn't jump off a building just to see whether gravity really does exist.

I hope this "laws of physics" question isn't going to lead you on to some Deepak Chopra. But in fact, what I think you're trying to aim for, is quantum physics and the unpredictable predictability. Maybe a bit of string theory thrown in for good measure?

Considering you said you weren't interested in my points, but merely wanted to argue about proving a negative, I have no idea why you quoted my post at all.

Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 5013198)

A closed mind eh?

Could I ask where I said I wasn't interested in your points and merely wanted to argue to prove a negative? Or is this another random thrown in to muddy the water? Give you clue though go back a page or two and re-read the posts in the thread.

Originally Posted by Glenn (Post 5012939)

Why would it be to you?

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 5013069)

Why are we still talking about ghosts and psychics? i already told you guys, there are no ghosts, and psychics are nothing. There is such a thing as psychic power, but psychic power doesn't allow you to talk to the dead. The dead are gone forever.

People are experiencing invisible aliens.

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 5013069)

Why are we still talking about ghosts and psychics? i already told you guys, there are no ghosts, and psychics are nothing. There is such a thing as psychic power, but psychic power doesn't allow you to talk to the dead. The dead are gone forever.

People are experiencing invisible aliens.

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5013911)

Not sure why aliens should be so believable and ghosts not tbh... There is no evidence for either that im aware of.
Im not saying you're wrong btw, nobody knows whats out there do they?

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5013911)

Not sure why aliens should be so believable and ghosts not tbh... There is no evidence for either that im aware of.
Im not saying you're wrong btw, nobody knows whats out there do they?

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5013269)

I'm really sorry. I got you and 08marsh mixed up, so I take that sentence back. Is that the only part of my reply that you focused on? A throw away line at the end?

So where is my mind closed? You really were going to go down the Deepak Chopra route? Go one then. I owe you one after mixing you up with 08, so I'm all ears.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5013923)

Because aliens are possible because of what we know about life. Life started on this planet once, and if it can start here, there are other planets with similar conditions that it can start too. That's only carbon based life too. For all we know, there may well be other possibilities for different kinds of life to evolve.

Alien life can be explained using natural laws, ghosts are supernatural.

Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 5014304)

Nah the throw away line was the only one I could be erssed taking you to task over.

Deepak Chopra? Nah read some of his work and thought he was just repackaging and modernising some older ideas, some say the epitome of pseudoscience.

I was thinking more basic laws than you incorrectly pre-supposed, but hey on you go matey.

Your mind is closed to the possibility of some sort of phenomena that people call ghosts actually existing. Multiple universes, multiple timelines, energy imprints, empathic feelings and a few other theories could explain said phenomena but hey you decided that ghosts have to be the residual spirit of a once living being hanging around on this earthly plane. And obviously that couldnt possibly happen could it?

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5014329)

But there is no proof, as far as we know so far there is no planet with an atmosphere that could sustain life. Therefore as far as we know its impossible...
How do you know that on one of these planets is all the essences of every person (and dinosaur) that ever lived?....
Do you know what that would mean?
WE are the aliens.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5014489)

That's neither half true, or good satire. We know of planets similar to earth already. Because of their size they will have different gravitational forces, but they have liquid water, and reside in a sort of "goldilocks" zone, hospitable to the kinds of life we know.

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5014528)

Can i just say here, you are not really jesus? you dont know anything on this subject...it would be impossible to know, even the most brilliant minds on this planet couldn't say with all certainty that from the knowledge they have now that is possible.
I was not aiming for satire so thats good, i can only say what I believe to be true.
Is there proof? hard evidence? samples? no... Therefore its heresay.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5014666)

I always find it a bit surprising tbh, how people are a lot more prepared to accept the supernatural when it comes to ghosts, but not when it comes to God, miracles etc.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5014610)

Wow. I think you would struggle to find a brilliant thinker alive today, who didn't think life elsewhere was a "possibility". Not all of them believe it has occurred, but you would struggle to find one that would say that it is impossible.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5014479)

As for my mind being closed on the different kind of examples you list, well you're just wrong. But let's be honest here, when people talk about ghosts, they are talking about a very specific thing.

Another problem I have, is that as of yet, there is just no way to test for such things. How can my mind be closed, when I don't know enough about theoretical physics to begin to work out a model for such things? It's one thing to call me (incorrectly) closed minded, but it's another thing all together, to be so open minded that your brain falls out.

If you have a theory for how to test for such things as empathic imprints on the universe, then be my guest.

All I know now, is that there is absolutely no reason currently, to believe that ghosts/afterlife can exist. Just like all disciplines of science - show me your hypothesis and how you plan to test it.

I'll genuinely, have absolutely no problem changing my mind should new evidence come to light, but as of now, then there isn't anything that you've written, that could even begin to tempt me, and I know you want to paint that as closed minded, but it's not. It's not closed minded for the same reason that biologists don't study intelligent design. Namely, it's untestable, unprovable, pseudo-science.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5008587)

There are no such things as ghosts, and there is absolutely no reason to think that there could be.