I would just add one thing... Zoe is friends with Dexter (who despises Danielle supposedly) and apparently Bianca even knows Danielle. And this Pav fella has said he dislikes Ashleigh.

So it was always likely to be Danielle or Ashleigh this week.

Don't start swearing. Calm down, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

I didn't mean that. I meant the results of Kemal, Craig's and Anthony's nominations. Not putting Kemal, Craig and Anthony up for eviction. Is that clear enough for you?

So the housemates have been chosen based on their dislike of Ashleigh too?

Because they wanted Marlon out.

They can't be that bloody fraudulent can they! :laugh:

I can only make the obvious point that there are certain decisions that they obviously make with a particular end in mind. This week they chose to give the newbies this power. They didn't have to do that, but they did. And they knew what it would probably result in, as all of us do. There's one girl in there asking to leave and there's another girl in there Zoe's mate Dexter knows and hates and Bianca as well apparently.

What you seem to believe is that they don't think these twists through. When they obviously do.

Sorry but trying to point out the obvious to people who refuse to see it is frustrating.

They had announced that 2 lies would be told that week. They didn't decide who was going to be up until they saw who nominated and who did not. When they did they decided to go with those who did not. But knowing full well Makosi would get the most votes they then added another twist that the top two would then face a HM vote. All of this was done, clearly done, to get the most boring housemate out and keep all the current storylines (Craig/Anthony) and bigger characters (Kemal/Makosi) in a little longer.

As I said, why not just go with the results of Anthony, Craig and Kemal's nominations? To save Makosi?

They did know who would face the vote because of the fact it was TWO LIES. If the "optional nominations" was not a lie then what would be? If the other three faced the vote then it wouldn't have been a lie, throwing two lies into the air.

If they were so hell bent on getting Ashleigh out like you think though then Marlon wouldn't have been a priority for them.

I do believe that they think twists through, of course they do but I do not agree with you that they manipulate them to get the results they want.

I don't think they think twists through, they never reveal it to the public into the twist has played into the producers hands/far too late. [This has happeneded since C5 took over]

i.e. Once Toya had already been selected as power housemate, they decided to get her put up.

Things like that, had they told the public beforehand, then fine... But they didn't :umm2:

They want to evict Ashleigh, that is the main event for Friday. Evicting Marlon was guinea pig test subject to soften the blow. The public have already got used to fact that a housemate can be evicted without their involvement. The backlash is not as mental.

They never put Toya up the housemate Toya and Matthew saved had to choose between the two of them.

Because they wanted Vanessa out.

I disagree and have yet to see a valid reason why they would want or care enough to get Ashleigh out of the house.

Because they want certain other people in?

You seem totally unwilling to recognize that they have all sorts of options of what they can do for a twist and that the reason they go with one option over all others is because they have certain plans up their sleeves for what comes next involving certain HMs over others.

It could be as simple as Ashleigh not being involved in those plans.

It was two lies. If the non nominators were not up then it wouldn't have been two lies would it?

I'm not unwilling to recognise that they have options and they think through twists etc tbh and have pointed that out numerous times now...I could twist it round and say you are unwilling to listen anyone elses reasons and have in your mind that the producers want Ashleigh out and that's that yet you have no idea why

What I am unwilling to recognise though are these conspiracies that they want a certain housemates out or certain housemates safe when there is no reason being given for any of the claims.

Don't you think they would have taken Helens pass and had her evicted by now if they were going to manipulate things to that extent, she is after all the one that Ofcom, channel 5 and endemol have being receiving the most complaints and petitions about.

That much is true. What you have yet to tell us is their reasons for wanting ANY of the housemates out and want ANY of them in.

I can't believe I'm having to explain how they did this twist to evict Vanessa nearly 10 years later.

They told them all sorts of things that could have been lies... So much so they were unable to guess that Anthony, Kemal and Craig being up was one of the lies. But they didn't decide that would be one of the lies until they saw who did what. The only problem for them was that the group that was really up for eviction with Vanessa in it, also had Makosi there, so at the last minute they decided to add to the eviction that it would be the top two who then faced a HM vote. Until then it was just going to be a normal eviction with the two lies as the twist. The HM vote came later w/ the knowledge that Makosi would go otherwise.

The only two lies with any impact was the ones centred on nominations. Nothing else would've made any impact whatsoever.

You can be rude and call me naive, stupid, "can't believe I'm explaining this" all you want. It doesn't make you right.

They obviously value certain housemates for storyline purposes and media attention more than certain others. And mayb there's other reasons as well. I can't know exactly what was going on in their minds anymore than a person can know exactly what was going on in Jeffrey Dahmer's mind.

They COULD have done what they said they were going do... Just put everyone up and have an eviction. But we all know Steven would have gone. They don't want that yet.

Instead they've made them think they're all up knowing full well Ashleigh will be saying how much she wants to go all week, making the decision of the newbies very easy.

Job done. Ashleigh, who the public didn't want to vote out is out by other means.

Why did none of them guess it then? And it doesn't answer the fact that the HM vote part was about saving Makosi and evicting Vanessa.

You are being naive I'm afraid. They put them all up for eviction in the penultimate week of Big Brother 5 and chained Michelle to Jason and Shell to Stuart and gave Michelle, who was known for her jealousy, an absolute hatchet job of an edit. They wanted her out over Jason/Victor (Victor unfortunately got himself evicted).

They wanted Vanessa out when they did what they did.

They wanted Nikki out, unbelievably, when they put everyone up but Jayne for eviction, knowing she was the most divisive figure. perhaps with her return in mind.

They switched up who was in that half way house and who was not so many times it became farcical. In the end the right people who they felt were expendable were in there and the likes of Ziggy were safe.

And so on and so on... They've been doing it for years. But never has it been so blatant as it is this year where they've actually got the friggin housemates to evict people without any viewer involvement at all. And people are actually looking at this and thinking it's not dodgy.

They did. :joker: Both Science and Derek discussed the possibility of the nomination results being one of the lies and the people who were "safe" being the ones up for eviction. Hence when the result came Science was not all surprised and Derek laughed. Vanessa crapped herself and everyone else screamed.

:joker:

Btw a huge amount of money was put on Nikki to be evicted that week before they had even announced the punishment of Jayne.

So they don't want Ashleigh, despite her storyline as the only main opposition to Helen? And because "the public" like her? :joker:

Which means the producers had an evil plan as opposed to Nikki being the most divisive housemate.

Eh? She was the most divisive figure in an enormous vote to evict with the only person with more detractors (Jayne) being immune.

And someone placed a big bet on her to go before it had even been announced on the live feed or website.

Yes, someone knew she was gone before the decision was even made public. An old gambler on Digital Spy posted numerous threads on this.