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Nedusa 05-03-2015 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627075)
No, I won't bother I think I got the measure of it the first time.

OK............glad we sorted that out :spin:

Kizzy 05-03-2015 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627076)
How is that contradictory? They can think what they like obviously it's their own heads lol that doesn't mean that those thoughts aren't homophobic :shrug:

I think it's a given that you feel that his religious interpretation is homophobic, the fact is he's done nothing illegal it's his view and his right to work for who he likes based on this.
In effect he's done nothing wrong.

Tom4784 05-03-2015 04:12 PM

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627086)
I think it's a given that you feel that his religious interpretation is homophobic, the fact is he's done nothing illegal it's his view and his right to work for who he likes based on this.
In effect he's done nothing wrong.

But he has done something illegal according to Irish law imo

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Equality_FAQ
1. What discrimination is unlawful under Irish equality legislation?

Irish equality legislation prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services, on any of the following nine grounds - gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Traveller community.

Discrimination in the area of employment is prohibited by the Employment Equality Acts 1998 and 2004. The Acts cover all aspects of work including recruitment and promotion, the right to equal pay, conditions of employment, training or experience. If you are an employee, or trying to get a job and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts.

Discrimination outside the workplace is prohibited by the Equal Status Acts 2000 to 2004. If you are trying to access goods or services and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts. They cover many different goods and services, including access to a place, facilities for banking, entertainment, cultural activities or transport, professional or trade services, health services, access to education and accommodation.

The Equality Authority is tasked with providing information and advice to any person who feels that he or she has been discriminated against on any of the grounds covered in the equality legislation, whether in an employment or non-employment area.

Iceman 05-03-2015 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7627089)
Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

:clap2:

T* 05-03-2015 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7627089)
Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

:worship: :clap2:

Kizzy 05-03-2015 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627090)
But he has done something illegal according to Irish law imo

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Equality_FAQ
1. What discrimination is unlawful under Irish equality legislation?

Irish equality legislation prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services, on any of the following nine grounds - gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Traveller community.

Discrimination in the area of employment is prohibited by the Employment Equality Acts 1998 and 2004. The Acts cover all aspects of work including recruitment and promotion, the right to equal pay, conditions of employment, training or experience. If you are an employee, or trying to get a job and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts.

Discrimination outside the workplace is prohibited by the Equal Status Acts 2000 to 2004. If you are trying to access goods or services and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts. They cover many different goods and services, including access to a place, facilities for banking, entertainment, cultural activities or transport, professional or trade services, health services, access to education and accommodation.

The Equality Authority is tasked with providing information and advice to any person who feels that he or she has been discriminated against on any of the grounds covered in the equality legislation, whether in an employment or non-employment area.

Depends on whether you view sexual orientation or religious belief as a motivating factor....

Niamh. 05-03-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627110)
Depends on whether you view sexual orientation or religious belief as a motivating factor....

Well not really, the law says prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services the only person who was refused a service was the gay man who was told by the printer that it was because he was gay, seems quite clear to me :shrug:

Crimson Dynamo 05-03-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7627089)
Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

quite right

they are using their interpretation of a book they think gives them some sort of status in life to hate on others

Jessica. 05-03-2015 04:30 PM

bwoty is hard to say :omgno:

Kizzy 05-03-2015 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627114)
Well not really, the law says prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services the only person who was refused a service was the gay man who was told by the printer that it was because he was gay, seems quite clear to me :shrug:

Well yes really, I'm sure that would refer to a third party and not as it's you personally that is the service, and your religious beliefs that create the issue.
I can't see it as that black or white.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627328)
Well yes really, I'm sure that would refer to a third party and not as it's you personally that is the service, and your religious beliefs that create the issue.
I can't see it as that black or white.

How do you mean a third party?

Crimson Dynamo 05-03-2015 06:25 PM

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Marsh. 05-03-2015 06:26 PM

Why is he marrying his dad? :worry:

Crimson Dynamo 05-03-2015 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7627396)
Why is he marrying his dad? :worry:

stephen fry teas

Kizzy 05-03-2015 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627351)
How do you mean a third party?

I mean anyone providing the services of someone else for someone else.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627454)
I mean anyone providing the services of someone else for someone else.


Providing the services of some one else for someone else? Like how? Could you give me an example? It seemed pretty clear to me that a business (like this printers) couldn't refuse their services to a person based on their sexuality ( like this guy)

Glenn. 05-03-2015 07:49 PM

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We, at Beulah Print, are Bible-believing Christians who are committed to standing by our conscience and God’s Word.

“We have never hidden our faith from our customers and represent the gospel at every opportunity. We are not against homosexuals however, we do not support same sex marriage, which printing wedding invitations would do.

“We believe the love of God is extended to all people and that He has called us all to walk in the light of His word, for He is the way, the truth and the life.”
Crap like this is the reason we have war in the world.

Tom4784 05-03-2015 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn (Post 7627556)
Crap like this is the reason we have war in the world.

'We're not homophobic, we just don't want the gays to have equal rights.'

T* 05-03-2015 07:53 PM

this is disgusting
i can't believe this is being defended by people going 'they're just sticking to their religion, thats all!!!!1' when if this happened to someone because, say, their skin colour or nationality there would be more massive outrage

T* 05-03-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7627560)
'We're not homophobic, we just don't want the gays to have equal rights.'

:clap2:

Kizzy 05-03-2015 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627547)
Providing the services of some one else for someone else? Like how? Could you give me an example? It seemed pretty clear to me that a business (like this printers) couldn't refuse their services to a person based on their sexuality ( like this guy)

I mean if you were a company representative for example.

Glenn. 05-03-2015 08:00 PM

I've just read the first few pages of this and I can't believe people are defending it.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7627568)
I mean if you were a company representative for example.


And what makes you think that's what the law was referring to?

Kizzy 05-03-2015 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7627575)
And what makes you think that's what the law was referring to?

You asked for an example and I gave one.

As religious observance is the reason as stated I feel it would be harder to enforce any law seeing as that is also protected under the same law.


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