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jennyjuniper 23-05-2015 07:02 AM

I don't think so. Otherwise Brian Belo wouldn't have won. I think it's more the kind of people they choose.
Mostly the black males are laid back and out to have fun, whereas for some reason the black females are angry and cause endless arguments. Adjoa wasn't that way, but she was pretty boring and had one of the most irritating voices I've heard.

ruiphillips 23-05-2015 07:03 AM

Using race as the main focus as to why a housemate was hated is stupid.

So it's got nothing to do with their behaviour?

Adjoa digged her own grave. Should've have been more wise not to act like a twat so early on.

Mystic Mock 23-05-2015 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jennyjuniper (Post 7797876)
I don't think so. Otherwise Brian Belo wouldn't have won. I think it's more the kind of people they choose.
Mostly the black males are laid back and out to have fun, whereas for some reason the black females are angry and cause endless arguments. Adjoa wasn't that way, but she was pretty boring and had one of the most irritating voices I've heard.

So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

billy123 23-05-2015 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 7797893)
So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

:umm2: WTF loool.
Was it the long drawn out words that made it almost seem like she couldn't be arsed talking that you found entertaining or the vacant look on her face in the live show that made it look like there was nobody at home?? :joker:

Liam- 23-05-2015 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 7797893)
So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

That's just an opinion, i personally found her more annoying than the other two nominees

Headie 23-05-2015 10:21 AM

I think there's a slight bit of sub-conscious racism that happens with voting, but I mainly put that down to VTE. VTE makes people look for the negatives in people and makes the show more hateful, and people look for any little thing that makes you stand out from the others or not fit in, such as being a bit louder than others or slightly more argumentative

I don't think people realise they do it but it's just subconsciously drilled into people's minds that black girls are stereotypically raging bitches.

Typecasting is also a major reason for this. When was the last time the producers cast a black girl who wasn't stereotypically fierce or sassy? If they could actually cast a black girl with a similar personality to, say, Josie, then maybe a black girl would actually have a chance of surviving an eviction. But if producers keep casting the same types of black girl, then they are ruining their chances before they've even entered tbh

divergent 23-05-2015 10:30 AM

i can imagine the majority viewers/voters of BB being quite xenophobic tbh

Babayaro. 23-05-2015 10:46 AM

The straws have been clutched

billy123 23-05-2015 10:57 AM

The remnants of the weave crew are revolting. :joker:
Adjoa was a bore you can clutch at any straw you want but thats a fact.
Have a nice summer :)

chuff me dizzy 23-05-2015 11:00 AM

Adjoa was kicked out because she is a twat, keep racism out of it please, it makes you look silly and desperate

Liam- 23-05-2015 11:00 AM

If they cast some decent black women for a change rather than the people who live up to a stereotype that's been created, then maybe they'd get further in the show and turn out to be adored rather than being evicted early on.

It's not racism, it's just people dealing with the cards that are being dealt to them by the casting people.

LukeB 23-05-2015 11:13 AM

And i'm pretty sure people who actually liked adjoa voted to evict her because they prefer sarah/eileen. When you vote to evict sometimes it's not down to who you hate, fan clubs will vote someone to try and save their favourite.

Pete. 23-05-2015 12:42 PM

A lot of overly defensive people in here, if you disagree that's fine but don't stoop low

Denver 23-05-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7798454)
A lot of overly defensive people in here, if you disagree that's fine but don't stoop low

Isnt making fake racism claims stooping low not giving valid reasons to why she was evicted?

Pete. 23-05-2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by adamski94 (Post 7798459)
Isnt making fake racism claims stooping low not giving valid reasons to why she was evicted?

nnn you clearly don't understand the point of this thread

Denver 23-05-2015 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7798463)
nnn you clearly don't understand the point of this thread

I do and so far every point made in relation to racism is false

Pete. 23-05-2015 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by adamski94 (Post 7798469)
I do and so far every point made in relation to racism is false

Thank you for your opinion

Headie 23-05-2015 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7798210)
If they cast some decent black women for a change rather than the people who live up to a stereotype that's been created, then maybe they'd get further in the show and turn out to be adored rather than being evicted early on.

It's not racism, it's just people dealing with the cards that are being dealt to them by the casting people.

Pretty much what I just posted, couldn't agree more :worship:

Macie Lightfoot 23-05-2015 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7797058)
Brian Belo won
Gina survived so many evictions

Giving two examples of black people doing well doesn't mean that the public isn't racist ever. Racism isn't viewed in terms of all or nothing.

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7797263)
you need to watch BB10 again

So what did Noirin do wrong then?

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7797264)
Hira got cheers mainly

Hira was viciously booed when she entered for no reason whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 7797429)
Also the odds of a black female being evicted are increased when BB cast 1/2 black females out of 16 - 20 housemates. Gina has survived to the final as did Makosi, the rest tbh were not that great as housemates.

Going back to Mel in BB1 she was hated because she flirted with men in the house that had girlfriends, not because of her skin colour.

This was already brought up, but Claire was flirting with Craig despite the fact that she had a boyfriend of ELEVEN YEARS, yet their relationship was seen Sam endearing.

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Originally Posted by LemonJam (Post 7797672)
yeah its definitely something I picked up on and was a big factor in making me stop watching BBUK tbh.

BB11 is a prime example of this. Every week when a black woman was up for eviction they went home despite them being up against much, much worse personalities.

mhmm preach the righteous truth LJ. Especially this week with Adjoa, she was rather inoffensive and funny yet she received a lot of the negative answers in the public opinion task (despite the public having nothing to base that stuff off of!) and was booed to death as got OFF OFF OFF chants for an interview that was nothing out of the ordinary. BBUK has always been a show about racism and I'm shocked that so many people are doing mental gymnastics to deny that.

Pete. 23-05-2015 01:02 PM

Still perched for Raph's post

Ninastar 23-05-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7798210)
If they cast some decent black women for a change rather than the people who live up to a stereotype that's been created, then maybe they'd get further in the show and turn out to be adored rather than being evicted early on.

It's not racism, it's just people dealing with the cards that are being dealt to them by the casting people.

I agree with this tbh. Well said :)

lovebigbrotheruk 23-05-2015 06:49 PM

The best thread I have seen on here. Every single point is spot on! Racism is more apparent this series than it has ever been.

jennyjuniper 23-05-2015 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 7797893)
So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

If she had been more entertaining, then yes. But personally I didn't find her so. Having said that, very few of the housemates are entertaining.

Raph 23-05-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7798501)
Still perched for Raph's post

Okay lemme respond to this now :)

Raph 23-05-2015 08:39 PM

First off, terrific post by Pete, I love discussions like this brought to the table.

I actually agree with Pete entirely. People of color, in particular women of color face the hardest time in Big Brother - through casting, in the house and through the way in which the public perceive them.

In terms of casting, the type-casting we get is ridiculous. The amount of 'sassy'/'feisty' black women we get, to begin with, shows how casting is limiting that group of people to such a small bracket of personality. It's the same with gay people. I can't remember the last gay person who defied stereotypes of flamboyance being cast into the house. Casting in a similar way every year, is inevitably going to influence those housemates' experience in the house, as the public already assume things about housemates, on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. I'd say the issue of casting with Asian women is even worse. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Deana was the only Asian women cast over the course of BB on channel 5?

Next, we get to how they're treated in the house. Let's begin with Deana and her relationship with Conor, Ashleigh etc. They all despised her, yet could never explain why. Let's look at Hira - she had an entirely harmless VT, yet was boo'ed into the house quite badly. Or perhaps let's look at BBlock dynamics in BB9 - A ginger, an Asian woman, a Welsh woman, and two black men. The other side of the house that excluded them earlier on? Jennifer, Bex, Luke, Dale, Dennis were all white, British people. Yes Sylvia was also part of that group but then who out of them was evicted first? The woman of color. Out of Bblock who managed to win? The white woman. Yes, you could argue that it was entirely due to personality but i'm going to disagree here.

I think consciously, yes people evict people on Big Brother because they are not fond of their personality. However, it's the subconscious institutional racism that is most powerful to me, in this case. Structures of society have built a hierarchy largely divided up by gender and ethnicity. As a result, unfortunately there is a subconscious superiority associated with white people on Big Brother, allowing them to behave in the same way as people of color, with fewer negative consequences. As much as we like to say racism is a thing of the past, it's very much not so. Subconscious racism such as institutional racism is the hardest form of racism to tackle, as it's far less obvious. The fact that white males constitute of the majority of winners exemplifies that in a pretty clear way.

Anyways, to finish off, I think the Big Brother experience is considerably more difficult for people of color (particularly women, but not exclusively) as they face conscious as well as subconscious discrimination on three different levels - casting, house dynamics and public perception.


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