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Niamh. 08-02-2017 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9210900)
I haven't read it so thanks for the link Niamh.
I don't know as much as most here seem to about the case, but what puzzles me is if the McCanns are guilty, why would they not just let the case fizzle out years ago and get on with their lives having got off scot free? Why would they continually bring attention to it over and over, year after year and rake it all up yet again trying to sue the books author?
It's not as if they were hard up for the money they could make out of it; and they seem too astute and intelligent not to realise they would be accused of doing it just for attention. I just don't get what their aim is in keeping the case alive and in the news for all these years if they are guilty with the much increased chance of being caught out which those actions would bring...

You know before i hadn't read up much about it that was exactly the question I wondered too all the time, it seems to be because they care about their reputations and also because the fund has been a money spinner.

Try and read the book though if you get time, its not too long a read

jet 08-02-2017 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9211136)
You know before i hadn't read up much about it that was exactly the question I wondered too all the time, it seems to be because they care about their reputations and also because the fund has been a money spinner.

Try and read the book though if you get time, its not too long a read

I've started it already...:hee:

Glenn. 08-02-2017 06:29 PM

They need locking up

Niamh. 08-02-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9211149)
I've started it already...:hee:

It's very interesting, I think trying to compare them with how you would expect parents of a missing child to act though doesnt work, even watching them being interviewed they never really show alot of concern for Maddie or what could be happening to her, infact they seem to distance themselves from her by referrring to her as "the child" etc

jet 08-02-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9211192)
It's very interesting, I think trying to compare them with how you would expect parents of a missing child to act though doesnt work, even watching them being interviewed they never really show alot of concern for Maddie or what could be happening to her, infact they seem to distance themselves from her by referring to her as "the child" etc

That's an excellent point. I kept thinking to myself 'if they did it, they are going to get caught out at some point because they can't leave it alone, and they must know this', so therefore it seems unlikely that they did it.
But that's the way most people wanting to avoid detection would act (by letting the case fade), but if they don't behave like most people then applying logic to their actions doesn't work so well.

Niamh. 08-02-2017 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9211306)
That's an excellent point. I kept thinking to myself 'if they did it, they are going to get caught out at some point because they can't leave it alone, and they must know this', so therefore it seems unlikely that they did it.
But that's the way most people wanting to avoid detection would act (by letting the case fade), but if they don't behave like most people then applying logic to their actions doesn't work so well.

Yeah exactly and lets be honest most people wouldnt have left their very young kids alone while they went out eating and drinking and then act like they did nothing wrong when one of those kids disappears so trying to compare them to most people/parents already is not going to work

Deirdre 08-02-2017 09:24 PM

I've read some stuff about this online and, no offence to anyone here, but I find the idea that the parents did anything wrong a bit like a conspiracy theory? Just because I read that Gerry apparently has a criminal record for child abuse, he made lude gestures with one of the other doctors on holiday about Maddie and one of the women doctors reported this to police and the other male doctors used to bathe Maddie and the twins.
Just some other stuff I read online that just seems very far fetched and made up.

Brillopad 08-02-2017 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deirdre (Post 9211512)
I've read some stuff about this online and, no offence to anyone here, but I find the idea that the parents did anything wrong a bit like a conspiracy theory? Just because I read that Gerry apparently has a criminal record for child abuse, he made lude gestures with one of the other doctors on holiday about Maddie and one of the women doctors reported this to police and the other male doctors used to bathe Maddie and the twins.
Just some other stuff I read online that just seems very far fetched and made up.

Most likely is - people just love to hate the McCanns it seems. Until I see there is 100% proof they were involved I won't believe it.

Crimson Dynamo 08-02-2017 10:00 PM

Yep it's all Internet bollocks and hate at them being successful and doctors

Marsh. 08-02-2017 10:18 PM

Yes, all to do with them being successful doctors and nothing at all to do with them being sh*tty parents.

Niamh. 08-02-2017 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deirdre (Post 9211512)
I've read some stuff about this online and, no offence to anyone here, but I find the idea that the parents did anything wrong a bit like a conspiracy theory? Just because I read that Gerry apparently has a criminal record for child abuse, he made lude gestures with one of the other doctors on holiday about Maddie and one of the women doctors reported this to police and the other male doctors used to bathe Maddie and the twins.
Just some other stuff I read online that just seems very far fetched and made up.

I dont think anyone said Gerry had a record, that story though came from a statement made from two friends of theirs (probably ex friends now) who had been on a previous holiday with them, that's 100% true (that they made that statement to the Police)

ebandit 09-02-2017 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 9211168)
They need locking up

maybe? however.....................i know i must distrust most i see on

U tube etc................

i don't trust the parents...............but their grief could really be real

.........and they are desperate to find the truth/maddie even more than others

Mark L

Crimson Dynamo 09-02-2017 08:50 AM

Fresh anguish for Madeleine McCann's parents
 
Fresh anguish for Madeleine McCann's parents as Portugal's supreme court insists they haven't been proved innocent over their daughter's death

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...6602338554.jpg

The statement came in the court's 76-page ruling on the McCann's fight against another court's decision to reverse their 2015 libel win against the former detective.

The couple were left facing a huge legal bill and the prospect of being sued by Mr Amaral, who led the initial hunt for Madeleine when she vanished, after being told last week the Supreme Court had gone against them in a ruling which was not made fully public until yesterday.

Judges made it clear in their decision their job was not to decide whether the McCanns bore any criminal responsibility over their daughter's disappearance and it would be wrong for anyone to draw any inferences about the couple's guilt or innocence from their ruling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...T-cleared.html

user104658 09-02-2017 08:56 AM

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'In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.
'The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.
'There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling.
'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'
In other words, "we're pretty sure they covered up her death but we don't have enough hard evidence for an arrest or to secure a conviction".

Niamh. 09-02-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9211665)
In other words, "we're pretty sure they covered up her death but we don't have enough hard evidence for an arrest or to secure a conviction".

Yeah basically, which is why I think it's odd that, even in this thread, people act like them having something to do with her disappearance/death is the conspiracy theory and not that she was abducted when the PJ basically concluded that there was no evidence of an abduction and some evidence that she died in the apartment but not enough to convict them

user104658 09-02-2017 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9211670)
Yeah basically, which is why I think it's odd that, even in this thread, people act like them having something to do with her disappearance/death is the conspiracy theory and not that she was abducted when the PJ basically concluded that there was no evidence of an abduction and some evidence that she died in the apartment but not enough to convict them

I'm 99% sure this is because it's a "foreign" police force and people think they therefore don't know what they're doing / are corrupt / aren't "real police like ours". If the British police were to turn around and say that they no longer believe the abduction theory, you'd find a lot of people would suddenly start to believe that it didn't happen that way.

Niamh. 09-02-2017 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9211672)
I'm 99% sure this is because it's a "foreign" police force and people think they therefore don't know what they're doing / are corrupt / aren't "real police like ours". If the British police were to turn around and say that they no longer believe the abduction theory, you'd find a lot of people would suddenly start to believe that it didn't happen that way.

And if people actually looked into it and I don't mean reading news paper articles or normal peoples opinions, I mean stuff that was done in the actual investigation, the evidence they found to say she'd died in the apartment was found by the dogs who were brought in from England with their handler Martin Grime, UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert. According to Goncalo Amaral after that evidence was found he was told by one of the forensic team that in the UK it would have enough to arrest them

chuff me dizzy 09-02-2017 09:53 AM

https://www.her.ie/news/court-rules-...n=onsite_share

Slowly but surely the floodgates are opening ,for 10yrs editors have sat on their hands dying to print what they know,but haven't dared ,but the court ruling is giving them the chance now

chuff me dizzy 09-02-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9211665)
In other words, "we're pretty sure they covered up her death but we don't have enough hard evidence for an arrest or to secure a conviction".

If Kate had answered the 48 police questions she refused ,they would have been locked up years ago ...... Ive always said she should have been made to answer them and taken lie test before 1p of taxpayers money was handed over to them

Niamh. 09-02-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 9211711)
https://www.her.ie/news/court-rules-...n=onsite_share

Slowly but surely the floodgates are opening ,for 10yrs editors have sat on their hands dying to print what they know,but haven't dared ,but the court ruling is giving them the chance now

It's like this is new information :o

Crimson Dynamo 09-02-2017 10:23 AM

lie tests do not work and have never worked

same as mediums

Crimson Dynamo 09-02-2017 10:25 AM

Operation Grange spent a lot longer on this case than any punter. The operation, conducted by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command, was led by Detective Chief Inspector Andrew Redwood and he is supported by a further twenty-eight detectives and seven other staff. And they did find no evidence to charge or convict Kate and Gerry.

Niamh. 09-02-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9211726)
Operation Grange spent a lot longer on this case than any punter. The operation, conducted by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command, was led by Detective Chief Inspector Andrew Redwood and he is supported by a further twenty-eight detectives and seven other staff. And they did find no evidence to charge or convict Kate and Gerry.

One would wonder whether they ever actually looked for evidence on Kate and Gerry or was the abduction theory the only avenue they went down ...........

What actual evidence did they find to rule out Kate and Gerry but be sure it was an abduction because as we've already established there was evidence to suggest she died in the apartment but nothing to suggest an abduction

user104658 09-02-2017 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9211724)
lie tests do not work and have never worked

same as mediums

Weeeeell it's not quite that simple, they do work to an extent so it's not exactly like "magic" or "psychics"... but they're nowhere near reliable enough to be used as hard evidence (which is why, except on Jezza, they aren't).

In fact occasionally on Jeremy Kyle, the poor saps taking the test look so GENUINELY confused by the results saying that they lied that I can only assume they did tell the truth to the best of their knowledge :joker:. Either that or there are an awful lot of highly skilled actors hiding in our council estates :think:.

user104658 09-02-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9211726)
Operation Grange spent a lot longer on this case than any punter. The operation, conducted by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command, was led by Detective Chief Inspector Andrew Redwood and he is supported by a further twenty-eight detectives and seven other staff. And they did find no evidence to charge or convict Kate and Gerry.

This statement is utterly meaningless LT, Kate and Gerry are (obviously) very clever and highly educated people. The inability of the police to find sufficient evidence to arrest or charge them means one thing and one thing only. That they didn't find evidence. It indicated nothing at all above or beyond that fact about what did actually happen. They also found no evidence of an abduction other than a witness statement that has since been essentially shown to be false or questionable.

It's just as feasible to suggest that they simply knew how to remove the evidence and did so well enough to avoid arrest. In fact, with the lack of evidence for either theory, it seems highly likely either way that WHOEVER is guilty managed to remove or hide evidence. Was it the stealth ninja stranger who would have had mere minutes to do so, silently? Or was it the people who had as much time as they needed?

I think you know logically at least that there are massive gaping holes in all of this and unanswered questions by the bucketload... but honestly... if the McCanns were arrested, charged, and found guilty in court tomorrow I still don't think you would believe it. For whatever reason, you seem to have a strong bias towards believing in their innocence, and I think you would brand any conviction "an injustice".


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