Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263606)

I think it's more reliable than your PERCEPTION as you don't live there.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263552)

It's her perception that she's a minority, it's not factual unless she can provide evidence. I doubt very much that a white christian/atheist/agnostic (whichever she is) person in Yorkshire is a minority.

Things change and grow, life is not stagnant and neither is culture. As an elderly woman who has seen so much change in her life, you'd think she'd understand that. It sounds like she remembers when the community was mostly white and dislikes the idea of diversity, her community hasn't been lost, it's evolved and I doubt it's changed that much that she's now a minority, that's just a fear that ignorant people have.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263618)

A worthless comment that doesn't prove or disprove anything. I looked into the numbers myself and the only city I could find that were diverse in range was Bradford and even then Christians and white people were still the comfortable majority thus the perception that white/christian people are becoming a minority is a ridiculous one.

https://www.bradford.gov.uk/open-dat...ts/population/

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9263620)

It is my perception and the perception of many many people in this town and neighbouring towns I live in. Yes I do remember how life was in years gone by, I do not like the idea of the diversity when I am driving through a town, stop and ask for directions to be met with contempt. To go shopping and find myself feeling like a stranger in my own country. The town which once people came for miles on coachloads to visit the market is now a filthy town and this saddens me. Please don't patronise me and be condescending, you may be more intelligent than me but that doesn't make you a better person than me. The country today makes me and many many others sad.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263634)

Looking at figures from the comfort of a PC and living in an area aren't quite the same thing are they? Tozzie has produced figureswhich you claim are inaccurate, and why are you quoting Bradford figures to me when we are not speaking about Bradford.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263634)

Looking at figures from the comfort of a PC and living in an area aren't quite the same thing are they? Tozzie has produced figureswhich you claim are inaccurate, and why are you quoting Bradford figures to me when we are not speaking about Bradford.

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9263620)

It is my perception and the perception of many many people in this town and neighbouring towns I live in. Yes I do remember how life was in years gone by, I do not like the idea of the diversity when I am driving through a town, stop and ask for directions to be met with contempt. To go shopping and find myself feeling like a stranger in my own country. The town which once people came for miles on coachloads to visit the market is now a filthy town and this saddens me. Please don't patronise me and be condescending, you may be more intelligent than me but that doesn't make you a better person than me. The country today makes me and many many others sad.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263663)

Because I was looking at the various censuses from different parts of Yorkshire and Bradford's was the only really diverse one I could find and even then the majority is still White/Christian, since that's the case then Tozzie's claims of feeling like a minority aren't likely true given that I've not come across one census that paints white/christian people as a minority. If you read my previous post then you'd have understood that.

Tozzie provided figures without a source, I produced figures that were backed up by a source. The official figures are factual, Tozzie's opinion and perception is not.

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9263680)

excuse me I do not tell lies. I am not claiming anything, it is a reality where I live.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9263703)

The top local authorities in England and Wales with the highest percent of Muslims in 2011 were:

London Borough of Tower Hamlets 34.5% 87,696.
London Borough of Newham 32.0% 98,456.
Blackburn with Darwen 27.4% 38,817.
City of Bradford 24.7% 129,041.
Luton 24.6% 49,991.
London Borough of Redbridge 23.3% 64,999.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_...United_Kingdom

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9263684)

I'm not saying you are lying, I just don't think your perception of things is entirely reflective of the citizenship of your area.

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9263620)

It is my perception and the perception of many many people in this town and neighbouring towns I live in. Yes I do remember how life was in years gone by, I do not like the idea of the diversity when I am driving through a town, stop and ask for directions to be met with contempt. To go shopping and find myself feeling like a stranger in my own country. The town which once people came for miles on coachloads to visit the market is now a filthy town and this saddens me. Please don't patronise me and be condescending, you may be more intelligent than me but that doesn't make you a better person than me. The country today makes me and many many others sad.

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9263620)

It is my perception and the perception of many many people in this town and neighbouring towns I live in. Yes I do remember how life was in years gone by, I do not like the idea of the diversity when I am driving through a town, stop and ask for directions to be met with contempt. To go shopping and find myself feeling like a stranger in my own country. The town which once people came for miles on coachloads to visit the market is now a filthy town and this saddens me. Please don't patronise me and be condescending, you may be more intelligent than me but that doesn't make you a better person than me. The country today makes me and many many others sad.

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9263707)

This was in 2011, wonder what the stats are now, I can't find any after 2011

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9263715)

The thing is, I feel like you may be seeing some changes and attributing them to immigration and cultural differences when they are perhaps coincidental in many ways. My wife is from a market town in the North of England, I lived there with her for three years. All of the older generations talk about how it used to have a thriving, vibrant local market where people came from up to 50 miles away every week. Nice place, friendly locals, etc.

It is not like that now. It is an absolute ****hole and what is left of the market is, frankly, disgusting. Tat and (probably) stolen goods. The town itself is run down, the people are drunk/high and aggressive, and it's basically just an unpleasant place to be, let alone live.

It is still 99% white British. These people are all locals born and bred.


I feel like you are seeing the changes in small towns / communities that are occurring everywhere and you are assuming that immigration is the cause. I suspect you'd find, if there had been no immigration at all, you'd still have the same complaints about the area and the people.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263747)

That's your experience are you seriously suggesting Tozzie can't identify a white Brit :joker:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9263828)

No and that's not my point. I'm not saying the people in her area are secretly white. I'm saying that a LOT of previously nice, friendly market towns have gone to sh** in the last couple of decades and it has very little to do with "dirty immigrants". It's happening in towns where there is very little immigration, too. Immigrants are somewhat of a scapegoat and the town wouldn't be any better if there had been less... It's just that the "unfriendly faces" would be white British ones.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263837)

I completely get your point, and I agree to a point however I don't know why you find it completely acceptable that there can be British only **** holes but you don't accept that there are some towns where immigrants have contributed to the **** hole

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9263851)

I don't see the relevance of the skin colour of the people living in ****holes?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263837)

I completely get your point, and I agree to a point however I don't know why you find it completely acceptable that there can be British only **** holes but you don't accept that there are some towns where immigrants have contributed to the **** hole

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9263904)

you saw the relevance of pointing out that your wife's ****hole town was 99 per cent white British :suspect: