Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9298604)

No.

I serve chips. :hmph: How else do you think I know so much about how much of the NHS budget is wasted on Quavers? :suspect:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9298611)

You can dress it up all you like but if people made more effort in the country they have chosen to live to learn the language more money would be available for the care of others.

It isn't rocket science - although to some maybe it is.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9298576)

Money is spent on NHS vending machines. I am disgusted.

How much money is spent on Quavers that could be spent on cancer research?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298588)

It's like 30p per person in the UK per year. It is literally less than peanuts.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9298592)

The total is not peanuts - it would help a lot of people.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298711)

Yeah it would take the money available for each person from 100% to an eye-watering 100.0002%.

Youre just demonstrating that you have no understanding of funding on a national scale. £23 million pounds to an individual, yes, is a lot of money. £23 million for one hospital, yes, may even be a decent sum.

But one hospital is not spending £23 million.

There are roughly 150 NHS trusts across the UK. That already takes us to £150000 per trust. There are SEVERAL hospitals, clinics, surgeries etc. in each trust. So split that again to maybe £10,000 - £20,000 per establishment. That might even be generous. That's per year. Do you even understand the running costs of a hospital? Like... Even vaguely? The budget for translators is miniscule. It just... Is. The facts and figures are available for anyone who wants to see them.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9298713)

Interpreters are required for a limited number of hospitals so it's not spread around between every hospital, some shoulder the burden more than others I can't imagine there is much call for interpreters in Cornwall for instance but in London the need is very high, it's not all about money it's putting systems in place that are fair to everyone not throwing money around and creating resentment especially when we are constantly told NHS funding is in CRISES if they want raise Ni they need to show that the tax paying public that they are making changes that save money in the right areas not denying drugs to patients because they are too expensive, it might be a drop in the ocean but savings have to start somewhere, and starting by maybe having enough cleaning staff to do a decent job would have an impact on levels of MRSA and so on..

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9298235)

Try telling that to all the Brits who move to France and can't/won't speak a word of French

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9298713)

creating resentment

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298737)

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of £23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9298563)

I work in the NHS and have arranged interpreters. How do you propose I show you the statistics of that then.

I hardly said it was crippling the economy, no dramatics please, I said it is taking money away from other areas where it is desperately needed which it is. Who knows maybe one of those who would miss out as a result would be a relative/friend of yours.

Why should others suffer because of people who can't be bothered to learn the language of the country they have chosen to live in and much needed money has to be spent on interpreters for them instead where it is really needed.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298737)

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of £23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 9298761)

Definitely (but holiday goers get a free pass!)

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9298703)

per person yes, in relation to buying a few new machines in a hospital then no, And literally if we break everything we spend money unwisely on per person you can just about justify anything, I think a compromise would be if you work you bring your own, they have no qualms about asking patients most of them elderly to pay in Spain and it works fine, no reason it can't work here

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9298744)

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298737)

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of £23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9298744)

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9298772)

Although I agree with your post in general I will add that duplicate letters being sent out has more to do with staff shortages and staff being under considerable stress rather than incompetence or not caring about their job.

The workload of all NHS staff is very heavy because of staff shortages and very stressful. Mistakes occur.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9298771)

Yeah it works the other way too.

You can add up how much is spent on "non-important" things until you're blue in the face and be horrified at how much money is spent not saving lives.