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Brillopad 08-06-2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9342643)
By the way,



ARE you aware how close you are edging towards white supremacist rhetoric?

Only in your super sensitive PC mind. That's just a 'polite' way of trying to shut me down again with 'racist' allegations.

I am just trying to demonstrate that these terrorists have both physical and emotional ties to their parents homeland - that is blatantly obvious by their actions, and it wouldn't be like deporting them to somewhere where they had no links or sense of belonging. Not they would even deserve that consideration.

Brillopad 08-06-2017 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9342667)
Deported to where if they were born here; and why would those countries want them.



So I'm assuming you agree that all criminals who are British born, or have British born parents or grandparents, should be deported from other countries back to the UK?

If they commit heinous crime then yes of course. It most definitely should work across the board.

bots 08-06-2017 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342687)
Only in your super sensitive PC mind. That's just a 'polite' way of trying to shut me down again with 'racist' allegations.

I am just trying to demonstrate that these terrorists have both physical and emotional ties to their parents homeland - that is blatantly obvious by their actions, and it wouldn't be like deporting them to somewhere where they had no links or sense of belonging. Not they would even deserve that consideration.

When you put someone on a plane out of this country, you need to have agreement of the receiving country else they will be refused entry to the destination country and sent straight back.

I could say I had an affinity with Australia ... you must therefore let me in .... not going to happen :laugh:

Kazanne 08-06-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342687)
Only in your super sensitive PC mind. That's just a 'polite' way of trying to shut me down again with 'racist' allegations.

I am just trying to demonstrate that these terrorists have both physical and emotional ties to their parents homeland - that is blatantly obvious by their actions, and it wouldn't be like deporting them to somewhere where they had no links or sense of belonging. Not they would even deserve that consideration.

It's quite simple if they are British,lock them up.

Brillopad 08-06-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9342692)
When you put someone on a plane out of this country, you need to have agreement of the receiving country else they will be refused entry to the destination country and sent straight back.

I could say I had an affinity with Australia ... you must therefore let me in .... not going to happen :laugh:

If dual citizenship was a condition of migration - the other country could not refuse to take them surely.

user104658 08-06-2017 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342706)
If dual citizenship was a condition of migration - the other country could not refuse to take them surely.

Brillo's solution to Britain's terror problems: "Change the entire world and international law to suit Britain!!"

Brillopad 08-06-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9342710)
Brillo's solution to Britain's terror problems: "Change the entire world and international law to suit Britain!!"

I think many Western countries may well start to think along those lines in the future as it would make sense and be in their best interests given the way things are going.

And probably not just Western countries either - people want to protect their citizens and as terrorism increases around the workd it may be a way forward for everyone.

If European countries for instance are going to be forced by the EU to take in millions of people from other parts of the world they need something to protect their current citizens from a potential future clash of cultural and religous views that may lead to even more terrorist activity.

Niamh. 08-06-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342581)
Isn't it obvious - where their allegencies lie and it clearly isn't with Britain. Home is where the heart is and the terrorists' hearts belong elsewhere.

They hate Britain and everything it represents so how can anyone believe Britain is their home. They don't want us and we don't want them.

But you can't force a country that they're not a citizen of to take a criminal, that's ridiculous. If the american police phoned up Britain and said "hey we have this serial killer here who's granny was British and we don't want him anymore so we're sending him over there" What do you think "Britain" would say? lol or would you all have a choice because you're better countries then them desert ones over there?

Brillopad 08-06-2017 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342725)
But you can't force a country that they're not a citizen of to take a criminal, that's ridiculous. If the american police phoned up Britain and said "hey we have this serial killer here who's granny was British and we don't want him anymore so we're sending him over there" What do you think "Britain" would say? lol or would you all have a choice because you're better countries then them desert ones over there?

As already mentioned in the thread if they had dual citizenship as a condition of migration we could.

Niamh. 08-06-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342731)
As already mentioned in the thread if they had dual citizenship as a condition of migration we could.

But they don't so that's moot point

Brillopad 08-06-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342740)
But they don't so that's moot point

They could do in the future - and maybe it could be done retrospectively.

Niamh. 08-06-2017 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342747)
They could do in the future - and maybe it could be done retrospectively.

and how far down the lines are you suggesting? :think:

Brillopad 08-06-2017 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342750)
and how far down the lines are you suggesting? :think:

As I said definitely parents and maybe grandparents. It would then place some accountability and responsibility on parents etc to do their best to ensure that they and their children respect and value the country they chose to live in/were born into. What's wrong with that.

user104658 08-06-2017 10:30 AM

What you're suggesting is logistically impossible / is never going to happen, Brillo... whether you think it's the best idea in the world or not, it's complete fantasy. It's up there with "We could build a prison colony on Mars and send them all there!". I feel like you probably need to let it go.

Niamh. 08-06-2017 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342765)
As I said definitely parents and maybe grandparents. It would then place some accountability and responsibility on parents etc to do their best to ensure that they and their children respect and value the country they chose to live in/were born into. What's wrong with that.

For every nationality living in Britain or just the brown ones? And presumably all the countries that have have British immigrants would do the same to them then?

Brillopad 08-06-2017 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9342788)
What you're suggesting is logistically impossible / is never going to happen, Brillo... whether you think it's the best idea in the world or not, it's complete fantasy. It's up there with "We could build a prison colony on Mars and send them all there!". I feel like you probably need to let it go.

Hardly - how can you compare dual citizenship with a prison colony on Mars. Dual citizenship is something that already exists, and there is no reason why it could not apply to migrants as well. The other is Star Trek.

Brillopad 08-06-2017 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342794)
For every nationality living in Britain or just the brown ones? And presumably all the countries that have have British immigrants would do the same to them then?

I already stated in a question asked but TS that it should apply across the board not just to 'brown ones' - a bit below the belt for you Niamh.

Niamh. 08-06-2017 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342800)
I already stated in a question asked but TS that it should apply across the board not just to 'brown ones' - a bit below the belt for you Niamh.

Maybe so, I just find some of the comments in this thread and the other one discussing this subject so hysterical and awful, I'm really shocked tbh

Brillopad 08-06-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342802)
Maybe so, I just find some of the comments in this thread and the other one discussing this subject so hysterical and awful, I'm really shocked tbh

These are difficult times - we are all angry.

Niamh. 08-06-2017 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342813)
These are difficult times - we are all angry.

Yes that's understandable but you can't punish people because of their religion just incase they might be a terrorist

bots 08-06-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342833)
Yes that's understandable but you can't punish people because of their religion just incase they might be a terrorist

red haired people and left handers have got to go ..... back to ireland, its all their fault :laugh:

Niamh. 08-06-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9342838)
red haired people and left handers have got to go ..... back to ireland, its all their fault :laugh:

Did you know that Red heads actually originated in Central Asia so if we're going that far back, they're going to have to go there I'm afraid

Brillopad 08-06-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342833)
Yes that's understandable but you can't punish people because of their religion just incase they might be a terrorist

Did I say that. But I think those convicted of terrorists acts should be sent back after their sentence was served here if they had a dual passport and perhaps those that the intelligence services know are involved in terrorism but don't quite have the evidence required, which is pretty stiff in this country, to get a conviction as they pose a Hugh risk to the rest of us.

I never said anything about deporting people based on their religious beliefs alone.

Niamh. 08-06-2017 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9342852)
Did I say that. But I think those convicted of terrorists acts should be sent back after their sentence was served here if they had a dual passport and perhaps those that the intelligence services know are involved in terrorism but don't quite have the evidence required, which is pretty stiff in this country, to get a conviction as they pose a Hugh risk to the rest of us.

I never said anything about deporting people based on their religious beliefs alone.

But you want to go back through generations of immigrants and basically take away their citizenship. Also, why would the country they came from even agree to that. It makes no sense

Brillopad 08-06-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9342842)
Did you know that Red heads actually originated in Central Asia so if we're going that far back, they're going to have to go there I'm afraid

Sorry Niamh but this is a serious issue and all our lives are affected by it and I don't see why we should all have to live in fear in order to preserve the rights of terrorists which is what it amounts to.


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