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Beso 12-06-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9355017)
You are joking, those ridiculous orange marches are pathetic.
They are used to taunt and bait Catholic resident areas and are very much a put down to the Catholic communities.

It is all well and good celebrating history, however to want to parade pompously down the opposite sides areas is in my view nothing other than provocative.

If they got present no go areas opened up to the orange marches again, it would open up doors that should have been totally sealed ages ago.



It doeant support terrorism though..

Also the republicans march as well, but they are usually in memory of a terrorist like the james connolly one held annually in edinburgh

jet 12-06-2017 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9355026)
It doeant support terrorism though..

Also the republicans march as well, but they are usually in memory of a terrorist like the james connolly one held annually in edinburgh

Quite right. Republicans also have marches to commemorate the Easter Rising, the IRA Hunger Strikers, Republican Culture etc.

The Protestant Orange parade commemorating the battle of the boyne is the biggest, and before the Troubles many a Catholic brought their kids along for a good day out at the festivities. I went as a kid, and I brought my kids along with our Protestant friends. It wasn't until the Troubles that it all changed.

The reason the Orangemen parade near Catholic areas is because that was their traditional route when those areas were actually Protestant areas (and it is just a few areas). Their argument is that it is the Queens Highway and we have always walked this way, why should we have to re - route. Silly really. The Catholics feel the Protestants are taunting them by continuing to march nearby. Also silly really.
As far as I know it's been mainly sorted out by some re - routing and Orange bands ceasing playing if they still pass a Catholic area.

It's all been blown out of proportion by a few contentious issues over the years. All parades, Republican and Loyalist, pass off peacefully as a rule. It's just a question of each side respecting each others culture.

Stu 12-06-2017 05:22 PM

James Connolly wasn't a terrorist. To suggest otherwise exhibits an appalling grasp on history, and it's contextualization. That's a shocking, embarrassing suggestion to make, and I can't help but ponder what road that suggestion leads down in your mind.

Kizzy 12-06-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9355103)
Quite right. Republicans also have marches to commemorate the Easter Rising, the IRA Hunger Strikers, Republican Culture etc.

The Protestant Orange parade commemorating the battle of the boyne is the biggest, and before the Troubles many a Catholic brought their kids along for a good day out at the festivities. I went as a kid, and I brought my kids along with our Protestant friends. It wasn't until the Troubles that it all changed.

The reason the Orangemen parade near Catholic areas is because that was their traditional route when those areas were actually Protestant areas (and it is just a few areas). Their argument is that it is the Queens Highway and we have always walked this way, why should we have to re - route. Silly really. The Catholics feel the Protestants are taunting them by continuing to march nearby. Also silly really.
As far as I know it's been mainly sorted out by some re - routing and Orange bands ceasing playing if they still pass a Catholic area.

It's all been blown out of proportion by a few contentious issues over the years. All parades, Republican and Loyalist, pass off peacefully as a rule. It's just a question of each side respecting each others culture.

Hang on, I thought they went on routes to retrace steps made by the marauding English invaders years ago?

Beso 12-06-2017 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 9355118)
James Connolly wasn't a terrorist. To suggest otherwise exhibits an appalling grasp on history, and it's contextualization. That's a shocking, embarrassing suggestion to make, and I can't help but ponder what road that suggestion leads down in your mind.

Sorry, would you prefer traitor?

Crimson Dynamo 12-06-2017 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9355017)
You are joking, those ridiculous orange marches are pathetic.
They are used to taunt and bait Catholic resident areas and are very much a put down to the Catholic communities.

It is all well and good celebrating history, however to want to parade pompously down the opposite sides areas is in my view nothing other than provocative.

If they got present no go areas opened up to the orange marches again, it would open up doors that should have been totally sealed ages ago.

I take it you have seen them in person?

Stu 12-06-2017 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9355123)
Sorry, would you prefer traitor?

Marxist, socialist thinker, Irish Republican. Those all do fine. Do you reckon I'm a traitor to the crown, too, or are we all even stevens now?

You know there's a difference between those who fought for Ireland's just independence and those who just spent the 70s and 80s running around bombing innocents and painting **** murals of snipers on the sides of community centers, don't you?

We've got hospitals and train stations named after him, for goodness sake. Behave.

Beso 12-06-2017 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 9355130)
Marxist, socialist thinker, Irish Republican. Those all do fine. Do you reckon I'm a traitor to the crown, too, or are we all even stevens now?

You know there's a difference between those who fought for Ireland's just independence and those who just spent the 70s and 80s running around bombing innocents and painting **** murals of snipers on the sides of community centers, don't you?

We've got hospitals and train stations named after him, for goodness sake. Behave.

You are correct. He was a bad example and maybe i should have said his commemorative march in edinburgh will have been attended by irish terrorists.

He wasnt a terrorist then but probably would have been one in the 70's

Stu 12-06-2017 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9355141)
You are correct. He was a bad example and maybe i should have said his commemorative march in edinburgh will have been attended by irish terrorists.

He wasnt a terrorist then but probably would have been one in the 70's

And there's plenty of pond life on both sides, I'd concede.

S'why I'm a Quaker.

Kizzy 12-06-2017 05:40 PM

Funny there are murals of snipers in areas where the DUP are popular too...what a coincidence.

Beso 12-06-2017 05:43 PM

Thats democracy for you kizzy.

Stu 12-06-2017 05:43 PM

Genuinely saw a Bobby Sands one on the side of a chipper once. I'm guessing they didn't see the irony.

The orange crowd are hysterical though. Parade of air hostesses. Their ilk got sent up beautifully in the Trainspotting sequel. Fruit machine patriotism-as-lifestyle.

jet 12-06-2017 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9355122)
Hang on, I thought they went on routes to retrace steps made by the marauding English invaders years ago?

If that was the case they'd be walking over the roof tops of buildings. :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 12-06-2017 05:49 PM

I used to love when the Orange Walk came to my town when i was little, not only was it colourful and great music it meant you could get bladdered during the day and no one cared

happy days and a great British and commonwealth tradition

Beso 12-06-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 9355155)
Genuinely saw a Bobby Sands one on the side of a chipper once. I'm guessing they didn't see the irony.

The orange crowd are hysterical though. Parade of air hostesses. Their ilk got sent up beautifully in the Trainspotting sequel. Fruit machine patriotism-as-lifestyle.

Stoopid film, it was spud in the book.:fist:

Crimson Dynamo 12-06-2017 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 9355155)
Genuinely saw a Bobby Sands one on the side of a chipper once. I'm guessing they didn't see the irony.

The orange crowd are hysterical though. Parade of air hostesses. Their ilk got sent up beautifully in the Trainspotting sequel. Fruit machine patriotism-as-lifestyle.

yes that would be written by Irvine Welsh the massive republican Hibs fan/hooligan....

:laugh2:

Stu 12-06-2017 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9355184)
yes that would be written by Irvine Welsh the massive republican Hibs fan/hooligan....

:laugh2:

Well...yeah. Characters committing actions that are hereditary to their beliefs over the course of a narrative? Be still my beating heart.

Anyway I'll bet the marches were colorful. Bias tipping ever so slightly to a particular gradient.

Crimson Dynamo 12-06-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 9355188)
Well...yeah. Characters committing actions that are hereditary to their beliefs over the course of a narrative? Be still my beating heart.

Anyway I'll bet the marches were colorful. Bias tipping ever so slightly to a particular gradient.

beautiful red white a blue colours as I recall

and that was just my scarf...

Stu 12-06-2017 06:00 PM

Radiant amber of that special brew can glistening, somehow, under overcast skies.

Beso 12-06-2017 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 9355204)
Radiant amber of that special brew can glistening, somehow, under overcast skies.

That would be the red bloated face. Not the can.

Edit..not lt..rangers fans in general.

smudgie 12-06-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9355174)
I used to love when the Orange Walk came to my town when i was little, not only was it colourful and great music it meant you could get bladdered during the day and no one cared

happy days and a great British and commonwealth tradition

Aye, plenty of them up North and Yorkshire.
Never been to one but my great grandad was a member of the Orange order back in his day, mind you he was a Liverpudlian by birth.

joeysteele 12-06-2017 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9355127)
I take it you have seen them in person?

Yes, the orange marches I have always considered pointless.

I actually think they look ridiculous too strutting about.

I have seen a good few actually when my Grandmother has taken me from her home in the South to visit friends/family in the north.

Does that answer your question at all or are more likely irrelevant comments to be forthcoming from you.

Brillopad 12-06-2017 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9355017)
You are joking, those ridiculous orange marches are pathetic.
They are used to taunt and bait Catholic resident areas and are very much a put down to the Catholic communities.

It is all well and good celebrating history, however to want to parade pompously down the opposite sides areas is in my view nothing other than provocative.

If they got present no go areas opened up to the orange marches again, it would open up doors that should have been totally sealed ages ago.

It's exactly that mindset that causes half the problems. Paranoia that believes everything is a slant against them that leads to the tit for tat attacks - as if the whole world revolves around them - It's a game for fools.

:shrug:

Crimson Dynamo 12-06-2017 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9355373)
It's exactly that mindset that causes half the problems. Paranoia that believes everything is a slant against them that leads to the tit for tat attacks - as if the whole world revolves around them - It's a game for fools.

:shrug:

:clap1:

we need to end the hate and prejudice

and that is just on tibb

Kizzy 12-06-2017 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9355174)
I used to love when the Orange Walk came to my town when i was little, not only was it colourful and great music it meant you could get bladdered during the day and no one cared

happy days and a great British and commonwealth tradition


I thought that was compulsory in Ireland? :hehe:


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