Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9555648)

Just accept that your realities are very different to mine. If you think walking through that exit door is all going to come together like milk and honey, just keep telling yourself that.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9556764)

Parroting doesn't make for a compelling argument. Put more effort into it because anyone can just repeat what's been said to them.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9556832)

So the issue is with people who are unhappy with the result and imaginary people trying to 'sabotage' brexit?

The second bolded point highlights the fact that you do not understand what the referendum was. The referendum simply asked whether we should remain in the EU or not. It didn't clarify whether the people wanted a soft or hard brexit so by claiming the latter you are ironically speaking for the motivations of all voters, something you got upset about a few pages earlier when made my first post in this thread saying that most voters don't understand what they voted for....you also proved me right in that regard so thank you for that.

People voted for a brexit, not what kind of brexit they want and they've only got themselves to blame if we do have a soft brexit as they voted in a weak government when they had the opportunity to change things up.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9557886)

And you would know!!

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9557905)

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...to-stop-brexit

The link above is just one example of someone trying to sabotage Brexit along with some newspapers i.e. The guardian and independent and countless others who constantly harp on about reversing Brexit. Do you understand that now or am I imagining that too!

You also don't seem to understand that your 'hero' Corbyn supports a hard Brexit and always has. Maybe you should do a bit of reading up about the man.

It really isn't a good look to keep trying to undermine people by accusing them of failing to 'understand' this that and the other when your level of understanding is clearly not as 'up there' as you try to imply. You are not the only one trying that on and not only is it weak it smacks of desperation. Understand that!

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558300)

More parroting, I don't think you are capable of coming up with a reply of substance.

I'll save you the bother of replying since you'll end up responding with something among the likes 'Well neither are you!'' or something equally inane. This is predictable and boring. I know what you're going to say before you say it.



Ah, you're taking the book equivalent of a click bait article written by an irrelevant politician whose time has passed and is desperate to regain some sense of relevancy seriously? Straws, Brillo, don't grasp at them so tightly.

That Guardian article did it's job, it's meant to rile up gullible Leavers into a rage hence the bias language throughout. Brexit is going to happen and no amount of scaremongering so you have an excuse to blame the left/immigrants/minority groups/remainers will change that.

You are getting a brexit but it won't be the one you want and it's what the Leavers deserve for voting in the Tories despite the fact that they've gone back on everything they've said since May took charge. The red flags were there all along and voters ignored them because they'd rather believe in the fantasy May was peddling than the reality.

Ah, the obligatory 'I am losing the argument so I'm gonna bring up Corbyn' defense. Again, one of my main arguments during the election was that if people truly wanted a hard brexit then they should support Labour BECAUSE Corbyn wanted brexit all along and his cabinet would be less likely to bend to the EU as soon as things get difficult. You should pay more attention, Brillo. You've gone beyond parroting and now you're trying to rewrite history and take my arguments as your own. Make your own arguments and stop piggy backing off others.

It's not a good look to constantly contradict yourself but that doesn't stop you, does it? You showed us all a fundamental lack of understanding of what the referendum was and what it meant. Like I said before, the referendum was to gauge interest in a brexit, not to decide what kind of Brexit it would be and in doing so you contradicted yourself by speaking for the intent of all leavers when you previously acted high and mighty when I suggested that most voters were ignorant and backed it up with logic that hasn't been overcome by you or your friends.

Again, that last paragraph was basically nothing but parroting what's been said to you. It's just sad at this point. I just don't think you can come up with your own thoughts and views without an article telling you what to think or repeating what other people have said to you. It's quite pointless speaking to you, you're never going to come up with a good argument because all you seem to be capable of doing is repeating what has been said.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558360)

As I said, in case you missed the point again, it was one example, one that presented itself as current news today. There are plenty of other examples out there, we all know it even if you don't.

The referendum was in or out. A soft Brexit would not be out - it would be the equivalent of doing the splits and keeping a foot in each camp.

As for the rest of it I really can't be bothered. It is just more of your insults and attempting to have the last word believing your last word is full of knowledge and wisdom. Sorry, it just isn't.

As for the parroting thing you keep throwing at me in an attempt to shut me down it just makes it obvious that that is your get out clause. Your arguments are weak and your capabilities are also questionable. So before you make such pitiful sweeping statements get some self awareness!

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558391)

A Brexit is a Brexit, we never voted on what kind of Brexit we'd want. You believe a soft Brexit wouldn't count but that's simply not the case. You are projecting your agenda as a fact onto a referendum that had no bearing on what kind of Brexit we'd get.

By voting for the Tories to have enough seats to form a coalition, the public have spoken. Everything was laid out before them about how May's government pretty much backs down on everything and they still voted for them to have the opportunity to secure power. The public had the chance to change the direction of the Brexit by voting in a stronger party but they didn't. The Brexit they get will be the one they voted for twice.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558414)

The Tories actually did quite well in the election but Corbyn also did well by motivating so many young voters to vote for him with his promises of no uni fees and uni debts, some of which he has now back-tracked on.

It is also obvious that many of those young voters had no idea about Corbyn's views on staying in the EU and a hard Brexit. They were well mugged off.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558419)

Not sure what someone who lost an election has to do with the party in power but any excuse to bring up Corbyn and avoid responding to my post, I guess?

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9557710)

I've never said anything about milk and honey, or slamming doors come to that, I said you leave and close the door behind you, then you negotiate a new relationship. No big change is without some sacrifice but that doesn't mean it is going to be all gloom and doom either or that we should stay in a cocoon that is not right for us. I am completely confident that this is the right thing if I wasn't I would have taken the easy route and voted to stay in the rickety boat that is the EU.

I am mystified why you voted to leave when you seem so afraid of it now and why you find it so terrifying when the signs indicate nothing particularly terrible has happened inspite of the doom and gloom predictions. For instance reports today on BBC news say that UK unemployment is at a 42 year low. Consumer price inflation seems to be holding steady and bucking expectations. UK wage expectations grow by better than expected. The Outlook is currently positive.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558509)

Of course Corbyn is relevant to the point as it was his lies that got him enough votes to stop The Tories from winning with a clear majority. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558509)

Of course Corbyn is relevant to the point as it was his lies that got him enough votes to stop The Tories from winning with a clear majority. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9558654)

It's always someone else's fault isn't it? Tories didn't lose their majority because of terrible decisions they made and the awful campaign they ran, they lost because of Corbyn! The obsession is real.

It doesn't change the fact that the Tories are running the show and the Brexit they will provide will be the one you voted for whether you like it or not and you've got no one else to blame for it.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558680)

Hypothetically if Brexit is successful and it turns out to be the best thing we did will you want to reap the rewards of an economy you wanted to deny us all? Will you effectively eat your words?

Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9558739)

When it fails and the economy crashes will you accept that you got it wrong ?

If you're consistent you'll no doubt try to lay the blame with the ''lefties'' or Corbyn.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9558680)

Hypothetically if Brexit is successful and it turns out to be the best thing we did will you want to reap the rewards of an economy you wanted to deny us all? Will you effectively eat your words?