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Originally Posted by Marsh.
(Post 10027816)
I also don't think this would change anything.
If it was in the public forum that Member A was banned because of a build up of infractions and it was seen that their last infraction was for "baiting" people are still going to have the conspiracy theories that it's come from mod bias who don't like the political view (or whatever) of that particular member so have made up an excuse to have them banned.
It really won't change anything.
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This is pretty much where I am with this tbh
However there was talk of the appeals forum being brought back not too long ago, not sure whats going on with that. But, what dezzy said about it is true, members would have to stop just heading there with every single infraction, having proper screechy fits at us, and also the (almost constant from a couple of members) complaining that the decision made in the appeals forum was also biased (or that the staff members replying hated them so they would never get a fair result, etc) and that we never ever reverse anything so its pointless to have in the first place. Even since the appeals forum has been gone, I have reversed infractions, and a fair few staff members did in there too after receiving an actual valid appeal rather than a rant. I am sure many members can back me up on that too. I have reversed bans and infractions, edited posts rather than deleting (though some have a huge issue with that too and say they would rather just be deleted), undeleted threads, cleaned up the same thread 3+ times...and so on. I have had very long chats with old members and new ones about various issues on the forum, or issues they have with parts of the forum/members/mods. I don't *think* I have ever just ignored a PM. I do however, tend to ignore PMs that are literally just rants at me. No good will come of me replying to those kinds so whats the point? I know some will say i should reply anyway, but when you already know that the member will get more and more wound up and the insults and such will get worse, and you WILL end up getting mad in the end and possibly snapping...well... its pointless dancing that dance.
So yeah, I don't think this would be a good idea, I actually think it would actually make things worse, and even just a thread discussing infractions received will possibly make things worse as we already know how many members are willing to lie and twist the actual reasons for it. Unless it would be fine...for when inevitably someone heads there to claim they were banned for a fortnight for something seemingly tiny...staff have the right of reply to say, well no actually you already had 27 infraction points for X X and X and this was the straw that broke the camels back. Or something. Its so frustrating sometimes seeing people lie about their infractions and bans and knowing that most would find them unreasonable in the complaining, if they only knew the true/full story. Its as annoying to staff as it is members that infractions are not allowed to be discussed on the forum. however I totally understand why admin have it that way.
Also, we kind of have experience with a public infraction system, and it didn't go well back then, nevermind with how divided the forum is now. People would, and did...report then send messages near instantly asking why nothing had been done to the member, or why their post was deleted and no warning (it was warnings then, not infractions) given, and yes, people would see that some members were on their last warning (system used to be 2 warnings then third is a perma...and you think infractions are harsh today :D) and bait and bait and bait trying to get the member to say something wrong, then report.
I can just see how this would go down, and I think it would **** things up even more tbh. However as always, willing to be outvoted/overruled/whatver. and go with whatevers decided just my 2 cents :p
Edit - FFS I didn't know this was closed. Will probably delete this in a sec as otherwise it looks like I am just trying to get the last word or something, but I cannot bring myself to delete it quite yet given it took me like best part of an hour to write it whilst being used as a clmibing frame and having my hearing tested by screeches in my face...
