Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479418)

You misunderstood.
I don't blame Olivier (or myself) for past acts of discrimination of non-white people.
But I do take issue with people on the right claiming ignorance of where right wing extremism comes from and why it's a problem.
Parmnion asked if whites get accused of racism more bc there's more of them, Olivier thinks the history or inter-race relations doesn't matter bc it started before he was born. Others questioned why we should discuss right wing terrorism at all. That's what I object to, this attempt at pretending the issue doesn't exist or bc we have anti-discrimination laws so it must be ok. Truly Trumpian view of the world.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479274)

now let me think :think:

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites... is that really true?
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites.......We're they the only ones ?+
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites.....can you post proof.

:facepalm:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 10479412)

He’s right though.Just because he doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean he lacks knowledge.

Some of the people who shout the loudest of not judging every Muslim by the actions of a minority then go on to judge white people on the actions of their distant ancestors.

Race will always be an issue if we’re constantly bringing it up.

Defining people of a certain ethnicity by the actions of other people of that ethnicity is racism.
We’re all human.Let’s stop trying to put everyone in categories.

Originally Posted by Moniqua (Post 10479303)

educate them :clap1:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10479487)

So by that logic you as an Irish person are responsible for all past IRA atrocities?

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10479479)

...go away with your baiting facepalm thingy.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10479487)

So by that logic you as an Irish person are responsible for all past IRA atrocities?

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479581)

the emoji is there to be used if appropriate
if you don't like it take it up with the mods

and stop editing my posts! look at the mess in the last post of mine you quoted
I won't be answering to it btw; if you've never heard of colonialism (or pretend you haven't) go and read up

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479583)

nobody's claiming that so stop

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10479620)

what are you claiming then?

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479581)

I won't be answering to it btw; if you've never heard of colonialism (or pretend you haven't) go and read up

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10479637)

Your first mention of colonialism was in reply to this, from Parm: So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Colonialism isn't "these days", it's in the past. May as well blame current muslims for the Ottomon Empire.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10479523)

Don't really matter, she will be pardoned.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479640)

Only fair to seek answers in historical context.

What would be your answer to Parm's question?

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10479647)

My flippant answer "people are stupid", but the real answer is that some people get caught up in tribalism and identity politics, which bang on about "white privilege" and various forms of critical theory, so it gets to the point where in their heads, every single white person is representative of an apocryphal oppressive system. Every person is representative and responsible for themself and their own actions, there's never an excuse for collective blame.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479652)

Difficult not get "caught up" in tribalism and identity politics if these very things are quoted as justification for attrocities by the perpetrators themselves.
This last atrocity comes with a long manifesto for example. Previous ones also came with justifications.
I'm not blaming every person, but I'd certainly blame the perpetrators, their supporters and their apologists. I think that's fair enough, as you say they are responsible for their actions.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10479641)

Are you saying the Irish get preferential treatment?

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10479659)

Are you really going to dispute that after this week's events?

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10479657)

I prefer not to sink to the level of thinking the same way as terrorists, thanks.
I'm not gonna dignify the manifesto by reading it, any more than I'd read a charter by ISIS.

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10480478)

A truly remarkable woman the world needs more leaders like her

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10479637)

Your first mention of colonialism was in reply to this, from Parm: So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Colonialism isn't "these days", it's in the past. May as well blame current muslims for the Ottomon Empire.