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"I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again," the 80-year-old filmmaker said.

He'd have been better of saying "I don't know" and stopping there since that's all it amounts to.

"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration."

Honestly don't understand how anyone can so confidently make sweeping "we" statements like this. He means that's what HE expects to gain from cinema - and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that - but it's not what everyone is looking for, at least not all of the time. Sometimes, absolutely. Sometimes cinema is about being given something to think about. But sometimes it's about SHUTTING OUT the world for a couple of hours, not thinking about it more. Sometimes being forced to ponder the world and the human condition is utter torture. And that's no less a legitimate use of cinema. I honest to god envy these people who apparently never need that.

Francis is just being an old man screaming at the sky.

I've never been a huge fan of his. The first two Godfathers and Apocalypse Now deserves respect but everything else he has done has been hit and miss at best. He has built a career based on former glory and failed attempts to match up to what he put out before. One of the most overrated auteurs in the history of film.

Apocalypse Now is another film which is tangentially related to Lucas <3

tbh I can see what he means about "watching the same movie over and over", some of them feel a bit "samey", but each also has different characters which make it so you don't mind:)

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10699254)

I think the same-y criticism would have been fair a few years back when the MCU films were basically all made with the same blueprint but I feel like they've broken that blueprint now tbh.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10699238)

Absolutely. Alot of times, it's just about action, entertainment and getting away from the real world more than anything, especially in these times,where the world in general is just a bit depressing

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10699254)

Tbh most genres churn out movies that are samey and repetitive. Including the so-called character studies. That criticism isn't restricted to a genre he doesn't like.

But I imagine it's a genre he hasn't watched much of anyway.

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10699341)

Absolutely. Alot of times, it's just about action, entertainment and getting away from the real world more than anything, especially in these times,where the world in general is just a bit depressing

It's also really hypocritical when he's done films like Dracula and Jack which were both cynical cash grabs that certainly didn't have any deeper meaning beyond the source material in Dracula's case or Hallmark logic in Jack's.

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10699254)

I remember Francis Ford Coppola saying previously how he didn't hold Star Wars in high regard, and thought Lucas was capable of more.

https://ew.com/article/2015/12/08/fr...-george-lucas/

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Originally Posted by James (Post 10699410)

I remember Francis Ford Coppola saying previously how he didn't hold Star Wars in high regard, and thought Lucas was capable of more.

https://ew.com/article/2015/12/08/fr...-george-lucas/

As much respect as I have for Lucas, I'm not sure what "more" he's capable of! The Prequels show what he's like as an "actor director", and he virtually invented special effects for both trilogies!

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10699341)

Absolutely. Alot of times, it's just about action, entertainment and getting away from the real world more than anything, especially in these times,where the world in general is just a bit depressing

Agree.
Take pornographic films for example :)

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10699414)

Agree.
Take pornographic films for example :)

:joker:

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10699413)

As much respect as I have for Lucas, I'm not sure what "more" he's capable of! The Prequels show what he's like as an "actor director", and he virtually invented special effects for both trilogies!

American Graffiti is a really good comedy and THX 1138 is a kind of art-house dystopian science fiction film, though I've not seen that.

Ken Loach. He has always disliked Hollywood.

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Ken Loach: Marvel superhero films 'boring' and 'nothing to do with art of cinema'

The British director says the comic-based movies are made for a profit "like hamburgers", as he speaks about his new film.

Lucy Cotter - Arts and entertainment correspondent @lucycottersky

Monday 21 October 2019 22:28, UK

Director Ken Loach has said he finds the Marvel superhero films ‘boring’ and ‘nothing to do with the art of cinema’.

Ken Loach has told Sky News he finds the Marvel superhero movies "boring" and "nothing to do with the art of cinema".

The British director has joined the debate following comments by fellow filmmakers such as Martin Scorsese, who said they are "not cinema", and Francis Ford Coppola who branded them "despicable".

Loach told Sky News: "They're made as commodities like hamburgers, and it's not about communicating and it's not about sharing our imagination.

"It's about making a commodity which will make a profit for a big corporation - they're a cynical exercise.

"They're market exercise and it has nothing to do with the art of cinema. William Blake said 'when money is discussed - art is impossible'."

Loach's new film Sorry We Missed You is the antithesis of the superhero universe and explores the world of zero-hour contracts, epitomising his view of what cinema should be.

"I think reflecting the world we know can make beautiful cinema because it can celebrate who we are," he said.

"It can laugh with us, it can cry with us, it can learn about our deepest feelings and what it is to be human - you find that in the everyday".

It is three years since he released I, Daniel Blake - his 2016 film which won plaudits for its depiction of austerity Britain, looking at the victims of the welfare system.

Sorry We Missed You is about a family in which both parents are in insecure work with no holiday or sick pay and struggling to bring up their family.

Loach said his new film is based "entirely on fact" with the writer Paul Laverty doing research with van drivers and care workers to bring the characters to life.

What interested them was "the world outside where we put on a smiley face and the world inside our personal relationships where you're exhausted, you drop the smiles and that's when the tensions, the stress, the anger plays out".

Loach told Sky News that zero-hour contracts and the gig economy is "the reality of the free market, which the government does everything it can to support, where harsh competition means big companies compete on price, they cut their labour costs with no holiday pay, no sick pay with workers they have no responsibility to - they can just sack them overnight".

He went on to lay the blame with the government.

"It equals absolute exploitation but the government supports it, keeps it in place, keeps the taxes on big business low, people in poverty wages and a benefit system designed to trap people in a bureaucratic tangle so they're so terrified of having to go to a food bank that they will take any job however crude the exploitation".

Sorry We Missed You is released 1 November 2019.

https://news.sky.com/story/ken-loach...inema-11841486

Wow, movies are made for profit. That's some amazing insight there.

I suppose he makes them for free? :idc:

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10699529)

https://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpg

..I’m pretty sure that Ken..(..and Martin..)..rated The Simpsons Movie as an all time great and personal favourite...

Do they think that backing each other up adds gravitas? It just sounds even more petty the more people jump on the bandwagon :shrug:.

Ken Loach Says Marvel Films Are
"Made as Commodities Like Hamburgers"

Also on James Big Link

Yeah, that's what they are. The McDonald's of movies. They're just fun but disposable entertainment.

tbh I'm sick of Hollywood in general, or at least the Big Studio System. The "big name" directors who pretty much make what they want are cool, as are the indies, but I'm glad it seems the MCU is winding down a bit.

I'm so glad we have intellectuals like Ken Loach to tell us Hollywood movies are made to generate profit.

What would we do without him?

Disney CEO Fires Back at Scorsese & Coppola Over Marvel Movie Comments

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Disney CEO Bob Iger has come to the defense of Marvel movies, calling out Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola's comments regarding the Disney-owned franchise.

“I’m puzzled by it. If they want to bitch about movies, it’s certainly their right,” Iger said in a conversation with Wall Street Journal Editor-in-Chief Matt Murray. “It seems so disrespectful to all the people that work on those [Marvel] films who are working just as hard as the people who work on their films.

He continued: "Are you telling me Ryan Coogler making ‘Black Panther’ is somehow doing something that is less than what Marty Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola has ever done on any one of their movies?”

Scorsese kicked things off in early October, saying that MCU films are "not cinema" and calling them "theme parks." He later doubled down on his comments, saying "They’re not cinema, they’re something else. And we shouldn’t be invaded by them." Coppola defended Scorsese, calling the films "despicable."

Iger is not the first to come to the defense of the MCU. Marvel stars Samuel L. Jackson, Robert Downey Jr. and Karen Gillan all responded , along with Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn. Damon Lindelof and Kevin Smith also called out the two directors for their comments.

https://www.cbr.com/disney-ceo-fires...ovie-comments/

How sad of an individual do you have to be, to get offended over movie popularity? Scorsese and Coppola come across as little kids who aren't getting the attention they feel they deserve.

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He continued: "Are you telling me Ryan Coogler making ‘Black Panther’ is somehow doing something that is less than what Marty Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola has ever done on any one of their movies?”

To be fair Scorsese and Coppola are basically auteurs, their movies are their own and the result of a creative spark. Black Panther is just one in a line of mass produced studio created products. All Coogler had to do was paint by the numbers.
(Obviously directing any movie is a big task, I'm not saying he had an easy time, but to compare any MCU movie to any auteur movie is just daft)

edit: it's like comparing the six Star Wars movies to the ones that came after

Marty's new movie "Killer's of the flower moon" arrives in UK cinemas this week.

3 and half hours long film.

I'm going next Friday.

Scorsese is one of the living great film makers in history. So you have to go see his films on the big screen.