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MTVN 18-04-2020 03:39 PM
There's an interview here with one of the experts advising Sweden: https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up...s-from-sweden/

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That was one of the more extraordinary interviews we have done here at UnHerd.

Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:

UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based

The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”

The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better

The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact

The paper was very much too pessimistic

Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway

The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown

The results will eventually be similar for all countries

Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.

The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%

At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available

Zizu 18-04-2020 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10826089)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...us-news-latest



and it was reported across a lot of media a few days ago



The whole point of the lockdown was to defer the peak so that the NHS got over the months of the year when they would be struggling with other viral illnesses like seasonal flu, we cant stay closed for business until a vaccine is found


Mmmmm seems very optimistic given we’re still seeing around a THOUSAND people dying every 24 hours - that could remain fairly high for the next couple of months I fear .


I still think the last two weeks of the summer term are the most likely.


It actually talks about June 1st being a possibility but then says ...

“now if the public health experts indicate that schools can return before the summer holidays, even for two weeks, there will be a sense of educational rebirth, of bringing young people back together “


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Cherie 18-04-2020 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10826169)
Mmmmm seems very optimistic given we’re still seeing around a THOUSAND people dying every 24 hours - that could remain fairly high for the next couple of months I fear .


I still think the last two weeks of the summer term are the most likely.


It actually talks about June 1st being a possibility but then says ...

“now if the public health experts indicate that schools can return before the summer holidays, even for two weeks, there will be a sense of educational rebirth, of bringing young people back together “


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I think they will reopen in some way, before the holidays maybe not all classes but Year 6 for transition is important, and maybe nursery to Reception

Zizu 18-04-2020 05:09 PM
Sweden's differing, more relaxed response to coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10826200)
I think they will reopen in some way, before the holidays maybe not all classes but Year 6 for transition is important, and maybe nursery to Reception


Yes that’s my viewpoint as well .. the last two or three weeks before the summer holidays would be nice .. remember 90%+ of pupils will be livid that they’re back in schools at all - even for that short few weeks


Somebody ( a SLT) told my daughter that they ( the schools) could be back in three weeks !!

That’s sounds very , very unlikely but that person will have a much better idea about things than I will , I guess

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Kizzy 18-04-2020 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10824626)
“ considered in relation or in proportion to something else “

Google is your friend :)


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Death is a positive in relation to what?
Google can't help me unravel your logic here.

Zizu 19-04-2020 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10826267)
Death is a positive in relation to what?

Google can't help me unravel your logic here.


Death is rarely a positive in my book .. I’ve no idea what you’re on about tbh


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arista 19-04-2020 07:52 PM
Sweden 1,540 Total Covid 19 Deaths.

Kizzy 20-04-2020 04:25 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9470771.html

arista 20-04-2020 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10827507)

Yes Sweden
is far to relaxed.

Crazy

MTVN 20-04-2020 05:13 PM
Even with no lockdown the rate of hospital admissions is slowing in Sweden though and will soon be falling which suggests they are at around their peak

Niamh. 20-04-2020 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10827522)
Even with no lockdown the rate of hospital admissions is slowing in Sweden though and will soon be falling which suggests they are at around their peak
Hopefully it's just starting to die off like flu does

Zizu 20-04-2020 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10827522)
Even with no lockdown the rate of hospital admissions is slowing in Sweden though and will soon be falling which suggests they are at around their peak


That sounds positive yet when you compare the deaths / million to Finland , Denmark and Norway then Sweden’s figures are dreadful


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Zizu 20-04-2020 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10827592)
Hopefully it's just starting to die off like flu does


I’ve not heard one single scientist/microbiologist suggest that anything remotely similar to that is likely to occur


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arista 20-04-2020 08:37 PM
Covid 19 Death Total is 1,580 today

Zizu 20-04-2020 09:04 PM
Interesting development ..

The head of WHO has apparently just stated that the worst is yet ahead of us and latest tests show that only 2 to 3% of populations have been infected by Covid 19 ana that’s even in heavily affected countries !!


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arista 21-04-2020 06:14 PM
Covid 19 Death Total is 1,765 today

arista 22-04-2020 02:26 PM
1,937 Covid Deaths Total today.

Cherie 22-04-2020 02:48 PM
Guess thats not working out so well for them did, Ohio etc take note

arista 24-04-2020 05:20 AM
Last night Sweden's Covid 19 death rate total
was 2,021

Also last night BBC2 NewsnightHD
did a update report.
Some are saying they are doing Herd Immunity
old people know they must stay at home etc.

GoldHeart 24-04-2020 01:49 PM
Why don't they quit this relaxed foolery and actually get tough . They have the resources to self isolate.

Other poorer countries don't .

James 24-04-2020 02:00 PM
How Swedes follow social distancing guidelines.

arista 25-04-2020 09:14 PM
Sweden tonight's Covid Death's : 2,192

arista 28-04-2020 02:23 PM
Sweden's Covid 19 Total today is 2,355

arista 30-04-2020 05:40 PM
2,586 Todays Death Covid 19 Total

arista 07-05-2020 02:09 PM
Sweden now at 3,040 Covid 19
Death Total


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