I agree with most of that.

I just however at this time, think it's near Impossible to present much that's new.

I don't want to see a long list of criticising the reactions of this pandemic, I do that myself yes,however I am glad to see the opposition support the government when they do anything better to deal with it.

They cannot present policies, they have no figures that are true in front of them, either in relation to the economy or this pandemic.
Brexit is still to be done.

Whatever is said at this time could be redundant by Spring next year.

Yes, good to see the team.
Someone mentioned Diane Abbott, she's not even in the cabinet anymore.
So rather petty to bring her name up.

Kier Starmer has a better team.
Actually Miliband was good as a Minister before being leader, he was excellent last week.

I think there were only 3 things in the main Labour need to change from the last election.
The Brexit confusion, that's done now.
Although badly with Johnson and his surge to no deal.
We still don't know if there will be one or not.

The leadership,I think Corbyn got unfair and vicious press, however in the election campaign I found he was a big drawback now.

anti-Semitism too.
Which is ongoing but with Starmer, such a better atmosphere around it and the belief he will not tolerate it in the slightest.

Other than that, policies, plans and even moderate future proposals are linked to this pandemic and the economy after brexit.

I just feel the conference season ought to have been put off this year.
Especially with this virus gaining strength again.

I'm often asked do I believe Labour would have done any better in this pandemic.
That cannot be answered by me really.

I think a more National coalition with the devolved assemblies too would have.

All I'd stick my neck out on, would be to say, I think Labour would have protected the vulnerable and elderly much more.
So likely resulting in a lot less care home deaths.

I don't think we would have ended up in the same holes, Italy, Spain and France sadly found themselves in.
With the UK not just diving into those holes after them but then digging our hole deeper.
As to deaths and lack of protection equipment and the farce of testing.

I doubt any other party or combination of parties could have been as deceitful and incompetent as Johnson and his absolutely wastes of space Ministers.
Particularly his surely truly discredited for all time now Health secretary.

i think the labour conference is more important than the others because thats what drives future policy. It will let us know if the unions are going to play ball etc, so for them, it's much more than introducing the new cabinet

Yes Keir is doing his speech
on Tuesday
also the day the PM talks to us all.


He claims to be on good terms with the Unions.

Well reading yours, Oliver's and arista's views on this.
I bow to them.

Let's see what comes from it then.
As to the Unions, I agree with them most of the time however, they always have their own agenda too.

I can't see them in the main wanting to rock the boat.
Even less so in this setting of having no real physical presence audience to perform to.

However, you 3 have changed my mind.

idk if i may, but our Labour party (PVDA) is also working very hard, especially here for care workers that they #DeserveMoreThanApplause

this is basically our leader Asscher's main slogan to make sure all health care workers, other medical staff at frontlines get those extra bonusses


would love a video conference between Sir Keir and our Asscher (i mean dutch and british Labour parties had good contacts before too, with Corbyn having visited ours too few times)


i feel like this standing up for care workers, medical staff would be a good move by british labour party too

Sir Keir
does not want another Scottish Referendum

Next May 2021 Local Elections.



He Confirmed at the End of Marr
BBC1HD

Well I doubt any other party or leader really wants to see the break up of the UK.
Despite this lot acting as if they do by ignoring and dismissing the devolved governments.

Except for the extreme DUP party that is.

It is hypothetical until the next Holyrood elections.
However, if Nicola Sturgeon has independence in the SNP manifesto.
Plus she then gets the votes again in the Holyrood elections.
Commanding a majority in the the Holyrood governing body.

Then it's not hypothetical.
Plus then, all parties and leaders, have to either accept this now will of those in Scotland.
Or act in dictator fashion and hold Scotland as a virtual prisoner of the UK.

She will have her mandate then.
She hasn't the full one at present.

What she will have in that scenario is the right and mandate from Scotland to go again for independence.

The UK government, PM and other parties will have no mandate whatsoever to deny Scotland its will.
No matter their bluster now.

A bit more consensus politics and actually respecting, not dismissing, the devolved governments by the dictatorship of Johnson and his authoritarian cabinet.
Would help a little.

I think it's too late.
The remaining time this man is PM and this deceitful untruthful Government is in place.
I can only see the tide running even stronger for Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland.

Still gutted that the one opportunity for real change we had, was lied and smeared out of contention.

just seen a bit of the conference and it is unwatchable. The content is so dry, it just doesn't work in that setting

Yes Dodds MP not good at speaking alone
Their health view is too far away to the next Election Date.

I think I'll revert back to my original stance.

Much of what is said in this conference, could be redundant in months.
Irrelevant then.

This is not necessary, in my view anyway.
It just doesn't work at all.

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

i don't see Boris continuing for much longer, i would say he will be gone by March. Then it's anyones guess how things will pan out

We can only hope, but I don't doubt that the Tory dominance will continue, if the pandemic and how it's been handled isn't enough to turn the tides against them, I don't know if anything will.

Exactly, Corbyn is a dirty word in labour now and his policies are seen as unattractive as they lead to negative press for being too left wing. However, Corbyns policies were very popular and Kier himself was elected on a socialist mandate, they are just terrified of being aligned with Corbyn due to the unwarranted media drubbing that would accompany a direct correlation of policy.

Sir Kier is live tomorrow BBC2HD 9AM

Politics Live special.

The BBC Murdoch documentary really hammers home how true this is. I mean, it is BBC so it's not ENTIRELY without anti-Murdoch-Media bias, but it points to a few things that are just undeniable. The UK printed press still holds vast sway over UK politics and has effectively nudged every election the way they want it for decades.

That said, it also shows that it is inherently self-serving and will bend whichever way suits at the time; it's not impossible for them to turn on the Tories under the right circumstances. Tony Blair effectively persuaded Murdoch to back New Labour in the tabloids and it lead to an easy decade in power for Labour.

What we are missing are shows like spitting image (i know it's making a comeback, but it won't be the same) where they had scenes with Maggie Thatcher using the urinal and and thousands of other glorious moments. We need satire to properly expose political party's for what they are

As the South Park guys said about Trump; it's very hard to make satire out of something that is already ludicrous. When what looks like a massively exaggerated satire is just the actual situation, and the actual people involved are already living caricatures.

tbh Trump has pretty much killed comedy, or at least political comedy. Impressions of him and jokes about him are just not funny, and it wastes time that could be spent on other things. It'd be ludicrous to say Trump Jokes are "punching down" but it's still like making fun of knock-knock jokes.

There's no Trump impression that's funnier than Trump just being himself, so there's basically no point doing one. Just show a video of actual Trump.

I disagree with this. If you look at Starmers agenda, he seems to be talking more about being tough on crime than social inequality. That's exactly how you get the RW press to give you a chance.

Well, exactly :joker: At least with Biden pretty much disintegrating before our very eyes there's something to say, but Trump is already a living punchline...