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arista 21-06-2020 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10867509)
Not really, three terror attacks already this year, Islam inspired of course because that's norm in this country.


Yes but the PM
has stated today Laws will change

It is bad news 3 British
stabbed to Death by an Evil Libyan Terrorist
its Gone Worldwide
Even on left wing CNN USA

arista 21-06-2020 04:44 PM

"Fastest-growing UK terrorist threat "

Bloody Slim.
Sure but these Islamic Loner Killers are far worse
as they are More Active in DEATHS

The Slim Reaper 21-06-2020 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10867533)
"Fastest-growing UK terrorist threat "

Bloody Slim.
Sure but these Islamic Loner Killers are far worse
as they are More Active in DEATHS

Bloody slim?

arista 21-06-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10867537)
Bloody slim?


Yes as you keep going on about
the New Evil white terrorists.
Yes a threat.
But not active killers


And you ignore
these Evil Asylum Islamic (Libyan, this time)
loner Killers

Tom4784 21-06-2020 05:14 PM

Bloody Slim! Focusing on white terrorists when there's arabic ones about!!

Swan 21-06-2020 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10867537)
Bloody slim?

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867545)
Bloody Slim! Focusing on white terrorists when there's arabic ones about!!

Jumping onto a poor choice of words instead of actually addressing the subject.

arista 21-06-2020 05:35 PM

One of the Dead is a Top history Teacher

Tom4784 21-06-2020 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10867546)
Jumping onto a poor choice of words instead of actually addressing the subject.

What's there to address? You've had a defensive reaction to the term 'right-wing terrorism' because you instinctively need to jump to downplay it because of the 'right-wing' part of it.

What do you suggest needs to be done to combat terrorism? Let me guess, all your suggestions will be focused around islam and will also infringe on basic human rights.

You can't destroy an ideology but you can change the circumstances that allow it to thrive. When it comes to domestic terrorism, it's always particular people that are radicalised, people are are vulnerable to manipulation and are angry enough with their circumstances to be convinced over time to do something unthinkable.

The hard truth is that terrorism will always be a thing, prevention is the key but unless you're willing to surrender your rights, people will slip through the cracks. If you blame a certain race or religion and want to enforce laws that lead to their victimisation or discrimination then you're handing power to these recruiters that will use such measures as ammunition.

arista 21-06-2020 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867545)
Bloody Slim! Focusing on white terrorists when there's arabic ones about!!


Yes he does it Every Time.


Evil white terrorists matter, Dezzy
but not on this thread.

Swan 21-06-2020 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867557)
What's there to address? You've had a defensive reaction to the term 'right-wing terrorism' because you instinctively need to jump to downplay it because of the 'right-wing' part of it.

What do you suggest needs to be done to combat terrorism? Let me guess, all your suggestions will be focused around islam and will also infringe on basic human rights.

You can't destroy an ideology but you can change the circumstances that allow it to thrive. When it comes to domestic terrorism, it's always particular people that are radicalised, people are are vulnerable to manipulation and are angry enough with their circumstances to be convinced over time to do something unthinkable.

The hard truth is that terrorism will always be a thing, prevention is the key but unless you're willing to surrender your rights, people will slip through the cracks. If you blame a certain race or religion and want to enforce laws that lead to their victimisation or discrimination then you're handing power to these recruiters that will use such measures as ammunition.

Really typical assumption of yours tbh. Im not saying, not defending, and not pretending 'right wing' terrorism exists, it obviously does exist. My reaction was to the Guardian story Slim posted, that ok maybe it's the 'fast-growing' threat, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat, the biggest threat as far as terrorism is concerned is Islamic driven in this country. That isn't my opinion, it's just fact.

What would i do to combat Islamic terrorism in the UK? Good question. Unfortunately, you especially will assume my view would be to 'get rid of all muslims, this is the uk not pakistan mate innit, white power' etc. You realise most people in this country have no problem integrating and getting on with people from all walks of life, right? Me being one. Human rights should apply to all humans. To combat the Islamic terrorism in the UK we need to take a tougher stance imo, especially those who threat terrorism, they shouldn't be homed with like minded people in prision. Education is key. Families need to be held accountable too, you constantly here about how the families knew of their sons/daughters/neice/nephews plans or 'views'.

Also people like you Dezzy need to accept this is a real problem, we need to be united when it comes to terrorism, in all forms. Too many have their own agendas, and as you like to say too many use this 'whataboutism' narrative (which is kinda ironic).

A lot needs to be done, but as you say whataboutism is a waste of time.

The Slim Reaper 21-06-2020 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10867560)
Yes he does it Every Time.


Evil white terrorists matter, Dezzy
but not on this thread.

Of all the people to accuse others of repetition, I'm not sure you're the best placed.

Cherie 21-06-2020 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10867563)
Really typical assumption of yours tbh. Im not saying, not defending, and not pretending 'right wing' terrorism exists, it obviously does exist. My reaction was to the Guardian story Slim posted, that ok maybe it's the 'fast-growing' threat, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat, the biggest threat as far as terrorism is concerned is Islamic driven in this country. That isn't my opinion, it's just fact.

What would i do to combat Islamic terrorism in the UK? Good question. Unfortunately, you especially will assume my view would be to 'get rid of all muslims, this is the uk not pakistan mate innit, white power' etc. You realise most people in this country have no problem integrating and getting on with people from all walks of life, right? Me being one. Human rights should apply to all humans. To combat the Islamic terrorism in the UK we need to take a tougher stance imo, especially those who threat terrorism, they shouldn't be homed with like minded people in prision. Education is key. Families need to be held accountable too, you constantly here about how the families knew of their sons/daughters/neice/nephews plans or 'views'.

Also people like you Dezzy need to accept this is a real problem, we need to be united when it comes to terrorism, in all forms. Too many have their own agendas, and as you like to say too many use this 'whataboutism' narrative (which is kinda ironic).

A lot needs to be done, but as you say whataboutism is a waste of time.



Not Dezzy hoisted by his own Petard!

arista 21-06-2020 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10867566)
Of all the people to accuse others of repetition, I'm not sure you're the best placed.


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Tom4784 21-06-2020 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10867563)
Really typical assumption of yours tbh. Im not saying, not defending, and not pretending 'right wing' terrorism exists, it obviously does exist. My reaction was to the Guardian story Slim posted, that ok maybe it's the 'fast-growing' threat, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat, the biggest threat as far as terrorism is concerned is Islamic driven in this country. That isn't my opinion, it's just fact.

What would i do to combat Islamic terrorism in the UK? Good question. Unfortunately, you especially will assume my view would be to 'get rid of all muslims, this is the uk not pakistan mate innit, white power' etc. You realise most people in this country have no problem integrating and getting on with people from all walks of life, right? Me being one. Human rights should apply to all humans. To combat the Islamic terrorism in the UK we need to take a tougher stance imo, especially those who threat terrorism, they shouldn't be homed with like minded people in prision. Education is key. Families need to be held accountable too, you constantly here about how the families knew of their sons/daughters/neice/nephews plans or 'views'.

Also people like you Dezzy need to accept this is a real problem, we need to be united when it comes to terrorism, in all forms. Too many have their own agendas, and as you like to say too many use this 'whataboutism' narrative (which is kinda ironic).

A lot needs to be done, but as you say whataboutism is a waste of time.

You should learn what a constitutes a fact.

Also your suggested methods infringe on human rights and ring dangerously close to North Korea's approach of punishing a whole family for one person's mistake. You can't throw a whole family under the bus for the actions of one person. You're championing Guilt by association. Honestly, I was right, your proposed methods would probably end up increasing the rates of terrorist attacks because, like I said, tactics like targeting families would have terrorist organisations rubbing their hands with glee since you'd be radicalising folks for them.

Also, you made a big song and dance about assumptions yet you make plenty of assumptions about me in your post. If you're gonna try and get on your high horse then don't faceplant into it's **** the second you do so.

While you're grasping the concepts of facts, you should also look up whataboutism and irony. You made out that Islamic terrorism is the norm, Slim proved otherwise by saying that Right-Wing terrorism is the biggest growing threat. That's not whataboutism, that's simply pointing out a fact.

Tom4784 21-06-2020 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10867571)
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Not Dezzy hoisted by his own Petard!

Not Cherie backing the losing horse in this race.... again. Then again, why break the habit of a lifetime.

Swan 21-06-2020 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867577)
You should learn what a constitutes a fact.

Also your suggested methods infringe on human rights and ring dangerously close to North Korea's approach of punishing a whole family for one person's mistake. You can't throw a whole family under the bus for the actions of one person. You're championing Guilt by association. Honestly, I was right, your proposed methods would probably end up increasing the rates of terrorist attacks because, like I said, tactics like targeting families would have terrorist organisations rubbing their hands with glee since you'd be radicalising folks for them.

Also, you made a big song and dance about assumptions yet you make plenty of assumptions about me in your post. If you're gonna try and get on your high horse then don't faceplant into it's **** the second you do so.

While you're grasping the concepts of facts, you should also look up whataboutism and irony. You made out that Islamic terrorism is the norm, Slim proved otherwise by saying that Right-Wing terrorism is the biggest growing threat. That's not whataboutism, that's simply pointing out a fact.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867579)
Not Cherie backing the losing horse in this race.... again. Then again, why break the habit of a lifetime.

I was about to debate your post, respectfully argue points made, then BIB. You've made your agenda quite clear, to you it's about 'winning' an argument. People like you can never be reasoned with. Have a good day.

Crimson Dynamo 21-06-2020 06:23 PM

More dead because of an asylum seeker from lybia

We need to get tough, this happens too much and is our number 1 terror threat to the UK.

Bar none

Tom4784 21-06-2020 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10867581)
I was about to debate your post, respectfully argue points made, then BIB. You've made your agenda quite clear, to you it's about 'winning' an argument. People like you can never be reasoned with. Have a good day.

Drop the bull****, you didn't have a response and you're looking for an easy way out to save face. You aren't being noble or above it all, you're running away with your little tail between your legs.

Cherie 21-06-2020 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867579)
Not Cherie backing the losing horse in this race.... again. Then again, why break the habit of a lifetime.

Your opinion of yourself is amazing..not sure it’s universally shared on TiBB, I’m sure your Discord friends will back your nag though and a great discussion will ensue :fan:

Swan 21-06-2020 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867590)
Drop the bull****, you didn't have a response and you're looking for an easy way out to save face. You aren't being noble or above it all, you're running away with your little tail between your legs.

I do not wish to lower myself to your level, however i'll leave you with some stats. 39 people murdered by Islamic terrorists in the UK since 2017. 1 person murdered by Right Wing terrorists in the UK since 2017.

Again, the biggest terrorist threat in the UK is Islamic, not right wing.

Also, pathetic.

arista 21-06-2020 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10867584)
More dead because of an asylum seeker from lybia

We need to get tough, this happens too much and is our number 1 terror threat to the UK.

Bar none


Yes PM said he may change laws

Tom4784 21-06-2020 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10867595)
I do not wish to lower myself to your level, however i'll leave you with some stats. 39 people murdered by Islamic terrorists in the UK since 2017. 1 person murdered by Right Wing terrorists in the UK since 2017.

Again, the biggest terrorist threat in the UK is Islamic, not right wing.

Also, pathetic.

'I don't wish to lower myself down to your level' two seconds later 'pathetic'.

You sure love your hypocrisy, huh? That's twice in a few posts now. Perhaps the high horse is simply too high for you.

You also completely ignored the fact that I called out your own proposals as guilt by association, again, you didn't have an answer for that I suppose.

Also you're changing the goalposts, Slim's link, a quote from actual experts said that right wing terrorism is the fastest growing which is what I also pointed out in the response you ignored so you could run away from the discussion. You tried to accuse me of whataboutism but you're pretty much doing it right here.

What was it your cheerleader said? 'Hoisted by your own petard?' Yup, that's certainly true for you.

Tom4784 21-06-2020 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10867591)
Your opinion of yourself is amazing..not sure it’s universally shared on TiBB, I’m sure your Discord friends will back your nag though and a great discussion will ensue :fan:

Stones and glass houses, Cherie.

Cherie 21-06-2020 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10867606)
Stones and glass houses, Cherie.

lol

Cherie 21-06-2020 07:34 PM

oh I am Swans cheerleader now :joker: Next thing he will be in my 'group' that is how it works isn't it, but we all know who the 'group' are now :hehe:


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