OK, so what are their political aims?

I want sources from BLM themselves, not right wing mp's or journo's, but their own stated mission statement.

lol then go scour their website to your hearts content

I'm not the one making up nonsense about what thy represent so I can try and justify why I'm against BLM.

Aren't you also the same person that demands sources from everyone on everything, and all that fit your specific requirements, just out of interest?

no

do your own research

wiki proved you wrong, dont get cross with me

Wiki can be edited by anyone. It is not a source.

common misconception

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32412121

"Anyone can - it's open to all and can be modified and edited by anyone. However, Wikipedia's administrators protect some pages from direct editing if they believe they are regularly subjected to "vandalism" - the addition of abusive language or falsehoods."

if you believe that the first line in the BLM entry is false then report it but i think you will find it is protected

No misconception, in your own words "some pages". You could remove all doubt and use better sources. But never do. Funny that.

Wiki proved nothing. I can tell you the aims of the political groups I support or am against, so should be an easy find for someone so wrapped up in posting against them at every opportunity. I know what they what stand for, but the folks against them can only come out with an incoherent and jumbled mess.

well then i am glad you dont support BLM as you did not know what their political aims were

#progress

It would be more concerning if I was railing against a group when I didn't know what they stood for; and the fact you ran to google as soon as I suggested that fact, implies one of us was definitely correct.

Unless you think there might be a stigma attached to the real reason you don't like them...

whats happening here though is that gareth and the FA are trying to silence peoples right to peacefully protest against politics being used in sport

People cant be told what they should not be offended about, that's not how it works

:joker:

…people can be offended for sure, but that’s because they’re placing a meaning on it that doesn’t represent it so basically creating their own offence or outrage…which seems to be the thing more and more atm with different things…

…I glanced at wiki just now and …. ‘The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself remains untrademarked by any group.’….BLM represents peaceful protest and is displayed in many different ways…in football like this, it’s the taking of the knee…and it’s a united spirit against discrimination in sport, no more/no less…as has been said…that’s the only meaning placed on it…the stalemate is that the objections are trying to silence that peaceful gesture….

You have that the complete wrong way round. First off, taking the knee was the first gesture in this scenario. I think we can agree that fans weren't booing players before kick-off until this happened, so just by the sequence of events, then England "fans" are trying to shut down a peaceful protest.

And again, why is black lives mattering viewed as a distasteful message - political or otherwise, that should be protested?

To be clear, I agree you have a right to protest against equality, but I've yet to see a coherent or honest reason beyond...Marxism innit.

Poppies are political but I've never seen England fans boo their use, or seen anyone say that politics should be kept out of sport. It's only this one specific instance...

football fans boo at away fans, refs, bad decisions by their manager, players from all teams, players in their own team, they boo police, the boo security staff, they boo mascots in fact they boo nat pretty much everything so why are you bothered that they boo a silly misguided gesture?

I mean, one of us is really bothered and the other is only asking for an honest explanation that forces the other one to run to google :blush:

How about you do what you tell others to do and go find it yourself.

Bless you Parm, for running to LT's aid.

I'm actually using LT's playbook by telling people what sources I will and won't accept, but I don't remember seeing you tell him to find stuff himself.

He hasnt ever told me to do my own research...you however have...so just returning the favour for once.

You're a good friend Parm. LT will be very proud of you. :blush:

Where you been anyway?

I was hoping for some competition in strictly, but you dicked off.

Had some fairly serious family issues that I had to deal with, unfortunately, so whooping yo ass at strictly had to take a backseat!

Oh, I hope everything's smoothed out for you.

Have a nice day.