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arista 14-04-2024 12:56 AM

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Sticks 14-04-2024 02:41 AM

RESIGN NOW

arista 14-04-2024 06:58 AM

BBC News Text:
[Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner
is facing mounting pressure to resign,
after one of her former aides reportedly told police
she was lying about her living arrangements.
In a statement, Matt Finnegan,
Rayner's former chief adviser said her
"actual" home was the property
she was living in with her
then husband,
not the former council house were she
was registered on electoral roll.
The shadow cabinet minister has
denied any wrongdoing.]


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bots 14-04-2024 11:06 AM

it will be very easy to determine where she was actually living. Energy bills etc will be higher in the place she actually lived. Neighbours would see them coming and going or not, depending where they lived. Nobody will be getting fooled

smudgie 14-04-2024 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11439797)
it will be very easy to determine where she was actually living. Energy bills etc will be higher in the place she actually lived. Neighbours would see them coming and going or not, depending where they lived. Nobody will be getting fooled

Ah, but wasn’t her brother living/renting in the council house, that she bought at a large discount due to supposedly living there a good while.:shrug:
Reckon the council could well look into this as well.

bots 14-04-2024 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 11439812)
Ah, but wasn’t her brother living/renting in the council house, that she bought at a large discount due to supposedly living there a good while.:shrug:
Reckon the council could well look into this as well.

council tax is different on 2nd properties too, so if she has lied about that, that is a criminal offence. People have been jailed over council tax fraud

arista 16-04-2024 10:39 PM

Sky News Text:
[The Times says the police investigation
into Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner
is examining several allegations and is not
limited to possible electoral law offences.]


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Zizu 16-04-2024 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11440550)
Sky News Text:
[The Times says the police investigation
into Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner
is examining several allegations and is not
limited to possible electoral law offences.]


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Send her ‘dawn’ guvnor …


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bots 17-04-2024 04:23 PM

there are 12 police officers investigating her now, thats a sizeable team, so i don't think they can be accused of not being thorough

Zizu 17-04-2024 04:32 PM

Police investigate Angela Rayner over her house sale
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11440904)
there are 12 police officers investigating her now, thats a sizeable team, so i don't think they can be accused of not being thorough


I have never liked anything about her so I hope she’s squirming in one of her properties


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Mystic Mock 17-04-2024 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11440910)
I have never liked anything about her so I hope she’s squirming in one of her properties


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But what if she's innocent though, Zizu?

joeysteele 17-04-2024 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11441019)
But what if she's innocent though, Zizu?

IF she was found to have not done anything personally wrong.

There'll be accusations then of a whitewashing of the complaint.
With some she could never win.

However as bots has stated, it appears the police are not leaving any stone unturned here.
So IF and I stress IF she's declared as not doing any criminal act.
She will be more likely innocent.

However she has clearly stated if she is found to have commited any criminal act.
She will stand down.
Plus would have to pay up too if there is any discrepancies as to any tax.

Zizu 17-04-2024 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11441019)
But what if she's innocent though, Zizu?


I’ll worry about that then :)


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arista 17-04-2024 11:46 PM

Sky News Text:
[The Daily Telegraph has the latest from an
investigation into Labour deputy leader
Angela Rayner's financial affairs.]

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Mystic Mock 18-04-2024 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11441026)
IF she was found to have not done anything personally wrong.

There'll be accusations then of a whitewashing of the complaint.
With some she could never win.

However as bots has stated, it appears the police are not leaving any stone I turned here.
So IF and I stress IF she's declared as not doing any criminal act.
She will be more likely innocent.

However she has clearly stated if she is found to have commited any criminal act.
She will stand down.
Plus would have to pay up too if there is any discrepancies as to any tax.

I just wonder what the Tory MP is hoping to achieve here? Even if she's guilty, Sunak isn't going to beat Starmer as it currently stands.

They need to be finding dirt on him, not Rayner.

But that's just me looking at it from a preservation of the current Government perspective, thankfully the Tory Government isn't seeing it that way, so we can finally be rid of them.:joker:

Mystic Mock 18-04-2024 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11441035)
I’ll worry about that then :)


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Fair enough.

Ammi 18-04-2024 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11440904)
there are 12 police officers investigating her now, thats a sizeable team, so i don't think they can be accused of not being thorough

…if she’s ‘guilty’ then why is a team of 12 officers needed to pursue that…it really is The Hounding of Angela Rayner…/…excerpts of the book serialised daily in your local tabloids…put a big enough team on it for long enough and you will find something….she’s there, she’s in the public sight…she’s not going anywhere and she’s no threat to public safety etc…and 12 officers are scouring every nook and every corner …?…while people who ‘are known to the police’ are out there, hurting people and …oh, there’s nothing we can do until they harm/kill…so in the meanwhile, we’ll busy ourselves with Angela Rayner ….not a great and look for the police force…(…again…)…

Zizu 18-04-2024 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11441049)
Fair enough.


Although …,



Stockport council and the police are understood to be reviewing whether Ms Rayner claimed a single person’s council tax discount on her former house on Vicarage Road while allowing her brother to live there.
If her brother was living at the property with her, as she claims, she would not have been eligible for the discount because there can only be one adult resident in the property.

Alongside the council and capital gains tax claims, Ms Rayner has also been accused of wrongly declaring her permanent address on the electoral register, which is an offence. After they married in 2010, she re-registered the births of her two sons giving the Lowndes Lane address as their home.

The police investigation centres on the fact that she was registered on the electoral roll at the Vicarage Road house but is alleged to have been living at her husband’s home at the time.


Angela Rayner is facing new questions (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-and-for-what/) about her financial affairs after it emerged that capital gains tax may be owed on another property.
Ms Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader, insists that a house she sold for a large profit (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...obe-explainer/) in 2015 was her main residence – which, if true, means her husband Mark Rayner should have paid capital gains tax on a property he sold the following year.
Tax experts said the couple would have had “two bites of the cherry” if neither paid capital gains tax when the properties were sold.


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Cherie 18-04-2024 06:47 AM

12 people working on this seems a bit OTT

joeysteele 18-04-2024 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11441048)
I just wonder what the Tory MP is hoping to achieve here? Even if she's guilty, Sunak isn't going to beat Starmer as it currently stands.

They need to be finding dirt on him, not Rayner.

But that's just me looking at it from a preservation of the current Government perspective, thankfully the Tory Government isn't seeing it that way, so we can finally be rid of them.:joker:

The Cons fear her Mock.

I'm not mad on her myself but she can be a formidable campaigner.

There's plenty dirt on him.
His wife's non dom status which they only changed once there was a more publicised attention to that.

Plus he too like Johnson had broken the COVID laws imposed on the Nation when Johnson was PM and Sunak Chancellor supporting Johnson too.
So duly was given a fixed penalty for that, like Johnson.

I can't wait to see his smug arrogant face change IF he and his band of deceitful backside crawling Ministers, with a host of his current heartless Con backbenchers hopefully get slung out of power.
When he DARES to eventually call the election rather than forcing the voters to have to wait until the likely near last minute to cast their own judgement on him and his heartless cronies.

Mystic Mock 18-04-2024 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11441063)
…if she’s ‘guilty’ then why is a team of 12 officers needed to pursue that…it really is The Hounding of Angela Rayner…/…excerpts of the book serialised daily in your local tabloids…put a big enough team on it for long enough and you will find something….she’s there, she’s in the public sight…she’s not going anywhere and she’s no threat to public safety etc…and 12 officers are scouring every nook and every corner …?…while people who ‘are known to the police’ are out there, hurting people and …oh, there’s nothing we can do until they harm/kill…so in the meanwhile, we’ll busy ourselves with Angela Rayner ….not a great and look for the police force…(…again…)…

I thought that this was myself that posted this for a second.

Because I agree with every word said in this post, Ammi, you're 100% right in what you're saying.

Mystic Mock 18-04-2024 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11441071)
The Cons fear her Mock.

I'm not mad on her myself but she can be a formidable campaigner.

There's plenty dirt on him.
His wife's non dom status which they only changed once there was a more publicised attention to that.

Plus he too like Johnson had broken the COVID laws imposed on the Nation when Johnson was PM and Sunak Chancellor supporting Johnson too.
So duly was given a fixed penalty for that, like Johnson.

I can't wait to see his smug arrogant face change IF he and his band of deceitful backside crawling Ministers, with a host of his current heartless Con backbenchers hopefully get slung out of power.
When he DARES to eventually call the election rather than forcing the voters to have to wait until the likely near last minute to cast their own judgement on him and his heartless cronies.

Tbh I have no real opinion on Rayner either way, it just seems unfair that she's being singled out for allegedly breaking Tax laws, when this same Government allows singers, actors, and other politicians get away with the same crime.

And I do believe that barring a complete and utter shambles scenario happening, I feel like Keir Starmer will become PM of the UK.

Whether Starmer/current Labour leading the country will be a good thing? Tbh I don't have the most confidence from what I've seen of him and his leadership of the Labour Party up to this point, but I feel like we have no choice but to take the risk on him.

Mystic Mock 18-04-2024 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11441064)
Although …,



Stockport council and the police are understood to be reviewing whether Ms Rayner claimed a single person’s council tax discount on her former house on Vicarage Road while allowing her brother to live there.
If her brother was living at the property with her, as she claims, she would not have been eligible for the discount because there can only be one adult resident in the property.

Alongside the council and capital gains tax claims, Ms Rayner has also been accused of wrongly declaring her permanent address on the electoral register, which is an offence. After they married in 2010, she re-registered the births of her two sons giving the Lowndes Lane address as their home.

The police investigation centres on the fact that she was registered on the electoral roll at the Vicarage Road house but is alleged to have been living at her husband’s home at the time.


Angela Rayner is facing new questions (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-and-for-what/) about her financial affairs after it emerged that capital gains tax may be owed on another property.
Ms Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader, insists that a house she sold for a large profit (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...obe-explainer/) in 2015 was her main residence – which, if true, means her husband Mark Rayner should have paid capital gains tax on a property he sold the following year.
Tax experts said the couple would have had “two bites of the cherry” if neither paid capital gains tax when the properties were sold.


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She'll be stepping down soon if this is proven to be true.

bots 18-04-2024 08:32 AM

One of the worst things you can do from a criminal point of view is try and dodge paying council tax. Councils are ruthless in getting their money, and do regularly put people in prison

Ammi 18-04-2024 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11441102)
One of the worst things you can do from a criminal point of view is try and dodge paying council tax. Councils are ruthless in getting their money, and do regularly put people in prison

…although that’s true, I think that The Hounding of Angela Rayner is much more layered than that …it’s just that now, they feel there is something to have her step down or step out for…but she’s been in the sights for a while and long before this, hasn’t she…the ‘worst’ thing is surely calling the Tory ‘scum’…which was completely and absolutely wrong and she unreservedly apologised for …she’s an uppity working class gal and she ‘teases’ those poor Parliament men by crossing her legs/while wearing a skirt at the same time…and that’s something they don’t want to see outside of their private clubs…if she’s dodging tax, if that’s the only layer…?….then that doesn’t equate with 12 police officials investigating, this is something…(…imo…)…quite more multi layered than that…and that’s why they’ll dig and dig and dig until something is found…


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