Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9256883)

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9256897)

I did . I never heard a thing back.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9256896)

I was asking why you could call me sly Josy, when I would be infracted if I called another member sly. I don't believe I have been sly in the least, I have always been open and honest on the forum, I have the utmost respect for most of the Admin and moderation team, most are respectful and treat members well and in return they are respected by the members. In response to your post about PMing you and James if there are any issues, I've done it before, James didn't even respond, though in fairness you always reply, nothing changes though so it's a bit pointless.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9256894)

I dunno, this seems pretty standard for every forum I've ever been a member of :joker:. Though the first one had about 600 active members and only one mod. That was pretty hilarious.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9256919)

Oh God, I hope that mod was actually getting paid :laugh:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9256920)

They were, it was the OFFICIAL forum of a TV show. The whole thing was hilarious. He worked 9-5 Monday to Friday. Evenings and weekends were straight up anarchy :joker:. I miss that place so much...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9256921)

Imagine the carnage he'd have to clean up Monday morning :laugh:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9256930)

I was on that forum for about 9 years, I think I was permanently banned after about 3. But it was only moderated while I was out at school anyway! My daily log-in was making a new account in the evening (they didn't even have email verification :facepalm: ) and then every morning at 9am it would get banned. I think at one point he made my username and anything related to it an "unacceptable term" when creating an account :laugh:... so I had to start just using random names and putting my username in my signature.

Ahh I'm getting all nostalgic now.

Really though. I was a ****ing horror on that site. But not even the worst :hehe:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9256933)

:laugh2:

Why didn't they just make some evening/weekend mods?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9256935)

They had something majorly against the idea of having volunteer mods, and they didn't want to pay more than one person! It was back in the late 90's / early 2000's, the internet was much more "niche" I think. A professional company would just never be associated with a shambles like that these days. There would probably be legal issues! There were at least three 40+ year old guys constantly on talking to 14/15 year old girls :umm2:. Quite openly and blatantly flirting.



:hee:

To be fair I was mostly active on there between the ages of 13 and 17. I'm are an grown-up now.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 9256900)

Then try another member of staff

I wasn't calling you sly Cherie, I called one of your comments a sly dig at us which it was.

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 9256643)

All of LT's friends need to do the right thing and join his silent protest

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 9256895)

Look, some were saying yesterday 'oh it won't be long til this thread is closed' etc.. well constructive criticism is perfectly fine and also welcomed but your posts have been getting progressively ruder and more insulting each time, I won't warn you about this again, post your opinion without baiting for a reaction or you will end up infracted.

I've mentioned in another thread in the past that I won't have a group of members attacking dezzy at every opportunity they get and here we have the same members doing the exact same thing again, we don't allow this to happen to other members and the same goes for staff.

IF anyone has a genuine problem with a mod they can pm another mod or myself and James.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9256956)

With respect, Josy... I have been incfracted twice in the last couple of weeks for posts that were mild compared to Dezzy's. And he's a moderator. And I did PM James. If moderators are going to be allowed to infract people then they should try to be above reproach themselves.. ir at least not ****ing rude. I've never seen any other moderator act in this way. And I have to say it's all been very out of character for him. Furthermore, It's often the case that people are infracted for reacting to baiting posts that are overlooked by the mods. If you're going to have an system where one person can infract another, then it has to be consitent and fair. And it just isn't. And a word on the overuse of the report button... tell me again why the appeals system was removed?

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 9256895)

Look, some were saying yesterday 'oh it won't be long til this thread is closed' etc.. well constructive criticism is perfectly fine and also welcomed but your posts have been getting progressively ruder and more insulting each time, I won't warn you about this again, post your opinion without baiting for a reaction or you will end up infracted.

I've mentioned in another thread in the past that I won't have a group of members attacking dezzy at every opportunity they get and here we have the same members doing the exact same thing again, we don't allow this to happen to other members and the same goes for staff.

IF anyone has a genuine problem with a mod they can pm another mod or myself and James.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9256956)

With respect, Josy... I have been incfracted twice in the last couple of weeks for posts that were mild compared to Dezzy's. And he's a moderator. And I did PM James. If moderators are going to be allowed to infract people then they should try to be above reproach themselves.. ir at least not ****ing rude. I've never seen any other moderator act in this way. And I have to say it's all been very out of character for him. Furthermore, It's often the case that people are infracted for reacting to baiting posts that are overlooked by the mods. If you're going to have an system where one person can infract another, then it has to be consitent and fair. And it just isn't. And a word on the overuse of the report button... tell me again why the appeals system was removed?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9257001)

Interesting. I have stopped posting on this site, but I really can't let this pass without comment.

I wrote to you and James about a certain moderator, i tried to be constructive about it, but was met with a brick wall from both of you.

I've never been banned, that's not my issue. I do have a problem with bias and unfairness though, and its not happened once, it's repeated time after time after time.

If people are not posting on this site, its because they are being driven away in frustration. While some posters might like to test boundaries and stir things up a bit for a bit of controversy and dare I say it entertainment, there is a clique on here that use passive aggressive tactics to belittle others. The may not have broken any specific rules, but their intentions are clear as are there motives.

I've heard so often that everyone is fair etc etc, its just not true, and if you try and say anything against it you are hit with a break wall or threatened with a ban or whatever. Its laughable, it really is.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9256956)

With respect, Josy... I have been incfracted twice in the last couple of weeks for posts that were mild compared to Dezzy's. And he's a moderator. And I did PM James. If moderators are going to be allowed to infract people then they should try to be above reproach themselves.. ir at least not ****ing rude. I've never seen any other moderator act in this way. And I have to say it's all been very out of character for him. Furthermore, It's often the case that people are infracted for reacting to baiting posts that are overlooked by the mods. If you're going to have an system where one person can infract another, then it has to be consitent and fair. And it just isn't. And a word on the overuse of the report button... tell me again why the appeals system was removed?

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9256966)

Completely agree with this. I certainly feel that any mods actively involved in a discussion/disagreement should not be able to infract their 'opponent' Talk about conflict of interests.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9257008)

I make a point of not doing so.

Again, these are conclusions based on bias against me rather than anything factual.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9257001)

Interesting. I have stopped posting on this site, but I really can't let this pass without comment.

I wrote to you and James about a certain moderator, i tried to be constructive about it, but was met with a brick wall from both of you.

I've never been banned, that's not my issue. I do have a problem with bias and unfairness though, and its not happened once, it's repeated time after time after time.

If people are not posting on this site, its because they are being driven away in frustration. While some posters might like to test boundaries and stir things up a bit for a bit of controversy and dare I say it entertainment, there is a clique on here that use passive aggressive tactics to belittle others. The may not have broken any specific rules, but their intentions are clear as are there motives.

I've heard so often that everyone is fair etc etc, its just not true, and if you try and say anything against it you are hit with a break wall or threatened with a ban or whatever. Its laughable, it really is.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9257022)

I'd say experience rather than bias.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9257001)

Interesting. I have stopped posting on this site, but I really can't let this pass without comment.

I wrote to you and James about a certain moderator, i tried to be constructive about it, but was met with a brick wall from both of you.

I've never been banned, that's not my issue. I do have a problem with bias and unfairness though, and its not happened once, it's repeated time after time after time.

If people are not posting on this site, its because they are being driven away in frustration. While some posters might like to test boundaries and stir things up a bit for a bit of controversy and dare I say it entertainment, there is a clique on here that use passive aggressive tactics to belittle others. The may not have broken any specific rules, but their intentions are clear as are there motives.

I've heard so often that everyone is fair etc etc, its just not true, and if you try and say anything against it you are hit with a break wall or threatened with a ban or whatever. Its laughable, it really is.

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 9257032)

LT, i miss you so much :(

Originally Posted by Ronald. (Post 9257034)

Same Nicky. Good to know the Netherlands are behind him, so is Wales. R.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9257030)

How could you have any experience of me infracting someone mid debate when you don't know a thing about who is actually infracting you? Like I've said a few times already, the only thing you know for certain is your own infractions, not who gave them to you or the details of other people's infractions.

Thus these are all conclusions based on bias because they aren't based on anything factual.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9256621)

Niamh :joker: I didn't say it was the only way members got infracted, you added that in youself, I said it was an area where there could be inconsistency

Originally Posted by That Girl (Post 9257035)

this thread's a heaving mess

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9257006)

Do you have evidence of this because I can't imagine where you got this idea from since you don't have any knowledge of anybody else's infractions aside from your own so how do you know that these baiting posts are overlooked? You can't know because you are drawing conclusions based on nothing.

The appeals section was removed because most people misused it to insult the mods or would waste everyone's time trying to appeal infractions that they obviously deserved. Very few people used the Appeals section correctly.

Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 9257062)

Liv that's disgusting someone went that low, whoever it was is scum idc if they're still on the forum either.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9257055)

I think those same people who abused the appeals section are the same ones who abuse the report button... of course, I only have anecdotal evidence about that... but I'm sure plenty of people are in a like mind.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9257055)

I have had posts removed and been warned/infracted, whilst the gloating post to which I reacted has been left there for all to see. That's how I know. I remember a joke being made about my husband aftger he died. I went lost it and my post was removed. The offending post was left there ALLLL day until I begged a mod to remove it - it was Marc, actually, who finally removed it. I have the evidence of my own experience, I don't need anecdotal evidence from anyone else. This isn't the only experience I've had of this either. And I won't be alone... So there's my evidence. Other people will have theirs too. I could find plenty of evidence of your own posts breaking forum rules and being overlooked.

If the appeals section was abused the answer is not to remove it, it is surely to put an end to its abuse. As I've said before, give people, say, 300 words max for a plea of mitigation to be look at but the mods. Once a decision has been made no other correspondence will be entered into on fear of a ban. You don't remove something for everyone because a handful of people abused it. If you don't have an appeals section then allowing one set of forum members to infract and ban another set of forum members, but not be open to any kind of punishment themselves, is ridiculous. Unless you feel that you, as a moderator on this forum, are entitled to refer to people as "dear" knowing that it's aggravating, and being personal and thoroughly unpleasant to the point of baiting... and then handing out infractions to people doing the same, is acceptable.

I think those same people who abused the appeals section are the same ones who abuse the report button... of course, I only have anecdotal evidence about that... but I'm sure plenty of people are in a like mind.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9257055)

I have had posts removed and been warned/infracted, whilst the gloating post to which I reacted has been left there for all to see. That's how I know. I remember a joke being made about my husband aftger he died. I went lost it and my post was removed. The offending post was left there ALLLL day until I begged a mod to remove it - it was Marc, actually, who finally removed it. I have the evidence of my own experience, I:fist: don't need anecdotal evidence from anyone else. This isn't the only experience I've had of this either. And I won't be alone... So there's my evidence. Other people will have theirs too. I could find plenty of evidence of your own posts breaking forum rules and being overlooked.

If the appeals section was abused the answer is not to remove it, it is surely to put an end to its abuse. As I've said before, give people, say, 300 words max for a plea of mitigation to be look at but the mods. Once a decision has been made no other correspondence will be entered into on fear of a ban. You don't remove something for everyone because a handful of people abused it. If you don't have an appeals section then allowing one set of forum members to infract and ban another set of forum members, but not be open to any kind of punishment themselves, is ridiculous. Unless you feel that you, as a moderator on this forum, are entitled to refer to people as "dear" knowing that it's aggravating, and being personal and thoroughly unpleasant to the point of baiting... and then handing out infractions to people doing the same, is acceptable.

I think those same people who abused the appeals section are the same ones who abuse the report button... of course, I only have anecdotal evidence about that... but I'm sure plenty of people are in a like mind.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9257001)

Interesting. I have stopped posting on this site, but I really can't let this pass without comment.

I wrote to you and James about a certain moderator, i tried to be constructive about it, but was met with a brick wall from both of you.

I've never been banned, that's not my issue. I do have a problem with bias and unfairness though, and its not happened once, it's repeated time after time after time.

If people are not posting on this site, its because they are being driven away in frustration. While some posters might like to test boundaries and stir things up a bit for a bit of controversy and dare I say it entertainment, there is a clique on here that use passive aggressive tactics to belittle others. The may not have broken any specific rules, but their intentions are clear as are there motives.

I've heard so often that everyone is fair etc etc, its just not true, and if you try and say anything against it you are hit with a break wall or threatened with a ban or whatever. Its laughable, it really is.