He said she was following him at one point and then he followed her, they could have passed each other at some point, but then there’s no evidence on either side and you’re perfectly willing to call him a liar

Thats fine Niamh, the general feeling is she deserved it as she is a white woman over 30, maybe we need to don our Handmaids Tale hats and be done with it because we can no longer speak our minds even when we are in the right without being ridiculed online by people who claim to be from an inclusive progressive generation :joker:

There is absolutely nothing to say this woman was racist, openly or covertly though. He would have no way of knowing if she said anything or not in her car and she obviously didn't say anything racist when they were arguing as it was streaming and his followers would have heard.

If he was in the wrong, does that warrant her being racist towards him?

It’s not about these people being white women, it’s about people feeling entitled to be racist and abusive towards people without fear of any comeback, ‘Karen’ can be a man in his 20’s it doesn’t matter, it’s the attitude they have is the problem, the only people making out to be a racial thing are the ones desperate to defend the offenders

Following a woman home and filming where she lives as well as her number plate and posting online can never be justified, even if she did slur him which is debatable

Doxxing is gross like I have said, but I’m not gonna feel too much sympathy for someone that pretends that she’s being ‘attacked’ by a black person when they’re called out on their behaviour

But what if he followed a man home? Would he be getting the same defence and concern as this woman is, somehow I don’t think so.

Also, that account was suspended because his banner violated their services, not any of his content

There is literally no excuse for following someone to their home and filming it + their car reg to post online, and this guy has former as a professional troll... and MAGA supporter. I think you're backing the wrong horse on this one Liam.

Well it should have been because of his content considering he put her home and license plate on there

I’ve already said I disagree with that

He said she said....


Meh!!!

Plenty people of all colours use that n word.:shrug:

Some colours get away with using it as a racial slur though.

With a big "but she deserved it" attached, no proof that she was actually racist, and little care for the fact that he's been trying desperately to "go viral by any means" for years.

We have no idea what happened before the camera started rolling and thus, I have no idea if she did anything wrong. I do know that he's doing something wrong.

I also fully understand why, in the current climate, she would be that scared about being filmed and put online... You can get a home address from a car reg and a claim with zero evidence can ruin your life.

It's a mess.

He shouldn’t have followed her home ive said that, but for me she lost any moral high ground when she started loudly claiming he was attacking her, when he wasn’t, to garner false support from around her, that could have ruined his life if he wasn’t recording, if one of her neighbours heard that and phoned the police saying a neighbour was being attacked by a black man, what do we think would have happened?

You’re right, we have no evidence of her racism, I don’t know this mans history, but we also don’t know for sure she wasn’t racist, he shouldn’t have followed her home, he was wrong for that, but she used the very typical tactic of falsely accusing a black person of ‘attacking’ her, they were both wrong

Just regarding your last paragraph, I don't know is the answer as it's hypothetical. Is it worse that she's a woman and he's a man? maybe/maybe not, neither is good but I can only look at it from a woman's point of view, I would certainly feel scared if a man i didn't know followed me home and started harrassing me

He followed her, put a camera in her face, made accusations, recorded her home and vehicle and was clear that he was streaming it online. He undeniably WAS attacking her, an attack doesn't have to be physical? Also he specifically talked about how she had "flipped him off" and then later added when confronted by someone else that she called him a n_? But didn't mention that as his reason for following her? Seems a bit odd? If you actually listen to the video, when he asks her why she's so hysterical and what he's actually done to her, she says "you're trying to ruin my life and you don't even know me".

Doxxing like this costs people their careers and reputations and can literally destroy lives. And no, there doesn't need to be ANY evidence to support the claim for that to happen. Her fear is completely justified.

Honestly, following someone to their home because they've given you the finger from their car after a minor traffic incident is utterly ****ing mental. *I* would be pretty scared and have my guard up, and I'm a 6'2 bloke.

Personally I think if you're passionate about a cause you should be wary of people hijacking the cause for their own less-savoury reasons, because its inevitable. Look this guy up.

He also had music on in his car and she was driving with a mask on. So he couldn't lip read any racial slurs and how far could her voice have carried?

Like I said, I agree that he shouldn’t have followed her home, idk why you’re continuing to lecture me about that, we’re on the same page about that, I’m judging this one incident, he was wrong and her behaviour when she was confronted was wrong imo, he was willing to have a discussion as could be heard in the video and she preferred to say he was attacking her, there’s no doubt in my mind why she did that, it’s a very common tactic used to demonise black people when they have a gripe, was she racist? Nobody knows,, ultimately he was wrong for what he did, he might be a grifter idk

You don't think she would have felt equally threatened if it were a white man who followed her home like that? I do

Sounds like plain old Road rage to me, I'm used to people driving like a knob around my Lil micra I'm not gonna lie and say I've never gone bumper to bumper to stop some twonk nipping in front of me then pointed and laughed at them.... luckily I've never been followed home :/
Yes they were both guilty of driving aggressively, he took the incident waaay way too far!

I don’t think so no, not to the level she acted in this scenario anyway

You've clearly never been a woman then [emoji23]

Cause only women can feel threatened?

That isn't what I said

What difference does it make that I’m a man?

If someone was getting out of a car filming you,white or black you would immediately be on your guard and / or threatened.....especially outside your home surely :shrug:

I don't know Liam, what do you think? I would assume that in general women spend a lot more of their lives worrying about being attacked or followed by men. Do you worry about that often?

As a gay man yes I do have to worry about being followed and and attacked by people, so what’s your point?

That you should be able to identify with someone being physically harassed? Ask yourself would he have followed a man home?

I have said countless times was definitely wrong for following her home, would he have followed a man home? Idk, if he’s as much of a grifter as people say he is, I’d assume he might do

Then you should definitely not think that a woman would feel less threatened by a man who followed her home and started harassing her because he's white. When you worry about being followed or attacked by a man, does his skin colour come in to it?

Men get physically assaulted more often than women get raped.

I didn’t say she’d feel less threatened if a white man followed her, I said I don’t think she’d act the same way if a white man followed her, I don’t think she’d scream that she was being ‘attacked’ at the top of her lungs, if the man was white

Well you have but then you justify his behaviour because he said she slurred him

You serious, if a man of any description followed me home I would be screaming blue murder

He had the right to confront her if she was being racist, he shouldn’t however have followed her home to do so, I don’t know how much simpler I can make it

Maybe, I Don't know the statistics, however in a one on one situation in most cases a woman is going to have a seriously lower chance of being able to defend herself than a man would. Its an actual thing women worry about, are you honestly saying men worry about it as much or more?

I saw some "Karen" videos on YouTube involving racism and general angry meltdowns. These people are crazy ,and they don't even care they're being filmed and exposed :crazy: :facepalm:

Were they followed home?

A lot of gay men do yeah, we have to be on our toes, it’s not just a woman thing

The majority are encountered in the wild, so are perfectly acceptable to confront and document